Vicious (2025)

Nov 28

Vicious (2025) Movie Review

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*If you have seen the movie Vicious and are interested in our brand-new extended version WITH spoilers, check out the episode labeled “Extended” in the list of episodes.

In this spoiler-free episode, we dive into supernatural horror with the newest Paramount+ Original movie, Vicious, starring Dakota Fanning and Kathryn Hunter. Join us as we share our honest opinions of the movie and give our recommendations on what we REALLY thought of the movie, discuss what worked (and what didn’t), and help you decide if it’s worth watching.

Vicious Movie Details

Release Date: October 10, 2025
Genre: Supernatural Horror
Length: 1:38
Streaming on: Paramount +
Rated: R (strong bloody violence, some grisly images, and language)
Writer/Director/Producer: Bryan Bertino
Starring: Dakota Fanning and Kathryn Hunter
Trailer: Link to Vicious Trailer

Note: At the time of recording, it was within a week of the Vicious movie release, so the prices mentioned in the movie details for where to stream may have changed.

Vicious (2025) - Spoiler-free
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<BOBBY>This episode does not contain spoilers.
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<ASHLEY>To listen to an episode that does contain spoilers, check out our extended episode in the list of all our other shows.
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<BOBBY>Extended!
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<ASHLEY>Welcome back to another episode of...
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<BOBBY>MICROSODES on Saturday, Saturday, Saturday.
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<BOBBY>Actually, it's Sunday.
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<ASHLEY>And I don't know when you'll be listening to this because it comes out on Friday, but...
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<BOBBY>Well, hey, welcome back.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Welcome back, it's good to see you.
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<ASHLEY>Haven't seen you in a few minutes, so...
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>If you're listening to this, welcome back.
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<BOBBY>If you're my wife, welcome back from the kitchen.
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<ASHLEY>Hello, I'm Ashley, his wife.
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<BOBBY>Hello, I'm Bobby, her husband.
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<BOBBY>And the reason why she was in the kitchen wasn't to make me a sandwich, it was actually to feed our tiny cat.
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<ASHLEY>Who is also here today.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Stella.
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<ASHLEY>But is refusing to speak.
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<BOBBY>Per her usual.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>We're not paying you for this episode.
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<ASHLEY>We're not paying us either.
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<ASHLEY>So.
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<BOBBY>Nice.
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<ASHLEY>So what movie are we going to discuss today?
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<BOBBY>Well, we've got a brand new one.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Hot Off the Press is an original.
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<ASHLEY>Yes, it is.
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<BOBBY>Are you ready?
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
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<ASHLEY>So the movie is Vicious on Paramount Plus.
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<BOBBY>Oh, no, no, no.
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<BOBBY>I was going to say Buckle Up Buttercup, but then I blew it.
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<BOBBY>OK.
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<BOBBY>So our movie this week is Vicious that was released on October 10th of 2025.
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<BOBBY>The genre is horror, mystery, supernatural horror.
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<BOBBY>There's some stuff in there about that.
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<BOBBY>It has a runtime of one hour and 38 minutes.
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<BOBBY>The rating is R and it probably should be.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>There's some stuff in there.
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<BOBBY>If you have a queasy stomach and you don't like to see blood, that's not a spoiler, I don't think.
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<BOBBY>There's just some stuff in there.
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<ASHLEY>Agreed.
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<ASHLEY>I also read the rating online.
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<ASHLEY>It said it was rated R for strong, bloody violence.
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<ASHLEY>Some grizzly images in language.
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<BOBBY>Language?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<BOBBY>I guess.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, she said a lot.
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<BOBBY>You're going to have to bleep that out.
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<ASHLEY>Well, I only for our spoiler free edition.
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<ASHLEY>Our extendeds are explicit.
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<BOBBY>Only our rated PG-13 edition.
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<ASHLEY>NC-17.
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<ASHLEY>Do they still make that?
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<BOBBY>They do.
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<ASHLEY>They do?
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<BOBBY>I think so, but it's very rarely used.
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<ASHLEY>Could you name a movie?
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<BOBBY>That was NC-17?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, Showgirls.
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<ASHLEY>Showgirls?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, it was with a girl who played Jessie, whatever her name was on, Saved by the Bell.
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<BOBBY>And it was like a stripper movie.
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<BOBBY>And she showed her body a lot in it.
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<BOBBY>And I remember that was like the first...
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<BOBBY>Oh yeah, everything.
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<ASHLEY>Shit.
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<BOBBY>And so...
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<ASHLEY>It wasn't R?
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<BOBBY>No, it was NC-17.
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<BOBBY>Like, you can't get in.
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<BOBBY>So R means like your parents could take you even if you were 10.
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<ASHLEY>Wait, wait, really?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>I thought NC-17 like was between PG-13 and R.
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<BOBBY>No.
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<BOBBY>NC-17 means if you are not 17 years old, you don't get into the movie.
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<ASHLEY>Well, if it's full frontal or full nudity, shouldn't it be X?
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<ASHLEY>Or at least NC-18?
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<BOBBY>Well, X has to do with...
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<BOBBY>I mean, I don't know how much you want to get into this stuff, but X really has to...
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<ASHLEY>I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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<BOBBY>Well, that's what happens with X, is that it shows...
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<ASHLEY>Everything, like for porn.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, most, but not everything.
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<ASHLEY>Oh.
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<BOBBY>So it might be like if you're my age and you remember Skinimax, those movies were probably rated X.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Oh.
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<v SPEAKER_4>You don't think so?
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<v SPEAKER_3>I have no clue.
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<ASHLEY>I've never seen Skinimax.
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<ASHLEY>I'm not in charge of the motion picture alliance.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Alliance?
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<BOBBY>Is that what they're called?
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>Let's see.
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<BOBBY>So G, that is for general audiences.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>PG means parental guidance suggested.
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<ASHLEY>Does it have any ages on that or no?
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<BOBBY>It does not.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>So they can still go see it.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>PG-13, parents strongly cautioned.
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<BOBBY>Meaning like there might be some stuff in there that looks a little risqué.
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<BOBBY>R is restricted.
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<BOBBY>So you either have to go there and-
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<ASHLEY>As an adult?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>As an adult or with an adult.
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<ASHLEY>It says, does it exclude anyone?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>As an adult or with an adult.
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<BOBBY>So if you are not-
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<ASHLEY>So if you're three years old, you can go if you're with an adult.
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<BOBBY>To an R-rated movie?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>You can?
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<BOBBY>As long as your parent is there with you.
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<ASHLEY>Are you kidding?
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<ASHLEY>What kind of parents are taking three-year-olds to R-rated movies?
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<BOBBY>I can tell you this and this is a-
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<BOBBY>I don't know why I always try to date myself, but this is a-
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<ASHLEY>You reference your age a lot.
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<BOBBY>I know, but it's because when I tell this story, people are going to be like, there's no way that happened, but it was.
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<BOBBY>When I was growing up, we had a theater that only had three actual screens in it.
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<BOBBY>One of the movies was showing True Lies, which is a big blockbuster with Arnold Schwarzenegger years ago, probably in 1995, I would guess.
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<BOBBY>So I was probably 12 or 13.
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<BOBBY>My dad thought the movie was super cool, and he was like, there isn't really that much that goes on, but there is one scene, and then he made me leave the movie theater, and then he came and got me, because he saw the movie with my mom first.
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<BOBBY>It's a striptease scene with Jamie Lee Curtis.
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<BOBBY>He thought that that was too, quote unquote, risqué, but shooting a missile out of an airplane and a helicopter wasn't.
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<BOBBY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>You know, you never know.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, there are a lot of other things that shoot missiles out of things.
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>In that movie, too.
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<ASHLEY>I'm kidding.
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<BOBBY>I don't know.
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<ASHLEY>I've never seen it.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, you've never seen it.
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<ASHLEY>Well, so when was this scene?
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<ASHLEY>Like how far in the movie?
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<BOBBY>It was about three quarters the way through.
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<ASHLEY>Three quarters?
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>So just that one scene you couldn't come back in?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>You couldn't turn your, you can just close your eyes.
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<BOBBY>Because he saw the movie ahead of time.
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<BOBBY>Right.
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<BOBBY>And it's probably about a six to seven minute scene.
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<ASHLEY>Right.
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<BOBBY>So he knew when it was coming in and when it was going to end.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>And so that's why he sent me out of the theater at that point.
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<ASHLEY>But he didn't come to get you until after the movie was over?
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<BOBBY>No, no, no.
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<BOBBY>He came and got me after that scene ended and I got to finish the rest of the movie.
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<ASHLEY>That makes a lot more sense.
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<ASHLEY>I thought he made you like sit out the rest of the movie.
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<ASHLEY>I was like, are you kidding me?
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<BOBBY>No, no.
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<ASHLEY>That makes a lot more sense.
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<BOBBY>But as a flip side to that, when we went to go see the movie, somebody brought in a playpen.
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<BOBBY>They got the very first two rows, bought out those rows.
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<ASHLEY>The whole row, two rows of seats?
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>And they put a playpen in the very front and then brought their kids.
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<ASHLEY>How many, what?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>To see this movie?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>And they didn't have to leave?
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<BOBBY>Well, the kids didn't know.
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<BOBBY>The kids were just playing with their balls or sleeping or whatever else.
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<ASHLEY>Wouldn't they have the kids in the back?
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<ASHLEY>Wouldn't they rent out the back two rows?
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<BOBBY>No.
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<ASHLEY>That is crazy to me.
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<BOBBY>Well, yeah, but how often do you get your kids in the back of your house?
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<BOBBY>They're usually pretty much close to the TV.
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<ASHLEY>I would never let my kids get that close to the speakers.
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<ASHLEY>Like, that's crazy.
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<ASHLEY>Or the TV?
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<BOBBY>The speakers are a different thing.
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<ASHLEY>That's crazy.
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<ASHLEY>Were the kids wearing earplugs?
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<ASHLEY>Probably not.
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<BOBBY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>I mean, I was 12 at the time, so I don't know.
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<ASHLEY>I'd be having them in earplugs and headphones and sunglasses.
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<BOBBY>Sunglasses that were blacked out just with their eyes painted on?
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>OK, fair enough.
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<ASHLEY>And then I'd say, you're allowed to sleep.
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<ASHLEY>Here, I'll turn on the noise cancellation.
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<ASHLEY>I don't know if we had those back then, but.
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<BOBBY>And then.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, yes.
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<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
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<ASHLEY>Back to the ratings.
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<BOBBY>NC 17 means no one under 17.
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<ASHLEY>OK.
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<BOBBY>And it was rated R for what reason?
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<ASHLEY>Strong, bloody violence.
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<ASHLEY>Some grisly images and language.
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<ASHLEY>That's what it said online.
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<BOBBY>That's fair.
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<BOBBY>I put in parentheses bloody.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<ASHLEY>Gruesome.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, that makes sense.
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<BOBBY>Body horror.
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<ASHLEY>Body horror, just like Hellboy right there.
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<ASHLEY>It's better.
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<ASHLEY>It's better than Hellboy.
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<ASHLEY>Spoiler alert.
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<BOBBY>I did the handshaking emoji.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, that's true.
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<BOBBY>So the director was Bryan Bertino, who's made a bunch of other horror movies as well.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
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<BOBBY>Do you know one?
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<ASHLEY>The Stranger.
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<ASHLEY>The Strangers.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>Plural.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>In 2008.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>And?
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<ASHLEY>And well, wait, I have I have on my notes.
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<ASHLEY>Nope.
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<ASHLEY>Never mind.
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<ASHLEY>He's creating another one, though, that's similar to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I think, or is inspired by.
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<ASHLEY>But it's not out yet and they're not filming yet.
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<BOBBY>A lot of his stuff is inspired by the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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<BOBBY>We'll get to that later on in the episode.
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<BOBBY>But The Strangers, The Strangers Pray, P-R-E-Y, not P-R-A-Y, by the way, at night.
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<BOBBY>The Strangers Chapter One.
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<ASHLEY>He did all of these?
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>I just saw The Strangers 2008.
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<ASHLEY>That's so interesting.
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<ASHLEY>OK, I guess I didn't dive deep enough.
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<BOBBY>And then The Dark and The Wicked.
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<ASHLEY>That's, was that the one he's working on now?
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<BOBBY>No, that one already came out.
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<BOBBY>Oh, but the other the other Strangers movies just I didn't.
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<BOBBY>I have not seen them.
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<ASHLEY>I think I saw The Strangers.
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<BOBBY>We saw The Strangers 2008.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Then there was another one.
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<BOBBY>And then there was one that they just did.
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<BOBBY>I I have not seen it.
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<BOBBY>But the IMDb portion of it was The Strangers Part One.
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<BOBBY>This chapter closes on itself.
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<BOBBY>So, yeah, they were saying, it's so bad.
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<BOBBY>You don't need any more chapters because it was The Strangers, The Strangers Pray at Night.
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<BOBBY>And then the third one was The Strangers Chapter One.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, because the Chapter One was so bad.
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<BOBBY>It was so bad.
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<BOBBY>It was worse than the first two.
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<BOBBY>The book closes itself on it on itself.
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<ASHLEY>Who said this?
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<BOBBY>IMDb.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I thought you meant in the movie, like the end of the movie, it said that.
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<BOBBY>I was like, I said I haven't seen any of those.
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<ASHLEY>No, I thought you read that.
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<BOBBY>Oh, no.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, it was the critics that said this.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, sucks.
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<BOBBY>And there is no sad.
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<ASHLEY>Did they say why?
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<BOBBY>No, ever since The Strangers came out in 2008, which was the first version of it, it was so good that nothing could compare kind of.
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<BOBBY>I don't know about that because the ratings on those ones aren't too high.
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<BOBBY>But The Strangers Pray at Night, that one had an even lower rating.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
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<BOBBY>And then The Strangers Chapter One had an even the lowest rating.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
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<BOBBY>Which I think was a 20% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, so they were like a lot of sequels get those kind of scores.
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<BOBBY>Well, it's difficult when you write yourself into a specific niche or a genre.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, because those things are done.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>I mean, you did them yourself.
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<ASHLEY>Right.
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<BOBBY>So at any rate, that is a Bryan Bertino.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<BOBBY>You can watch this movie on Paramount Plus because it's a Paramount Plus original.
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<ASHLEY>Exactly.
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<BOBBY>If you do not have Paramount Plus, you can purchase it on Sling TV, Amazon Prime, Google Play Movies, and Fandango at Home all for $14.99.
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<ASHLEY>$14.99?
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<ASHLEY>Oh, because it just came out, right, right, right.
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<ASHLEY>Okay, that makes sense.
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<ASHLEY>I was like, that's a lot more expensive than the other ones we've seen.
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<ASHLEY>Okay, that makes sense.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<BOBBY>So yeah, those are the platforms and those are your movie details.
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<ASHLEY>Nice.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>So after watching the trailer, I wrote my own.
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<BOBBY>You got your own synopsis.
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<BOBBY>Ashley's...
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<ASHLEY>Ashley's take on the trailer.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Ashley's take on the trailer is back with your next trailer here, now.
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<v SPEAKER_3>That...
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<ASHLEY>this is a working...
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<BOBBY>That was so good...
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<v SPEAKER_4>.
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<v SPEAKER_4>to a working...
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<BOBBY>Ashley's trailer is back with extra takes for this movie.
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<BOBBY>Ashley's trailer.
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<BOBBY>It's a work in progress.
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<ASHLEY>Vote for your fave.
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<BOBBY>Don't vote for mine.
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<ASHLEY>Don't vote for mine.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, we'll just get back to Ashley's takes.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>So, here it goes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>What?
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<BOBBY>Teeing it up.
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<BOBBY>Here we go.
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<ASHLEY>I know.
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<ASHLEY>I feel like I'm ready to swing at golf.
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<BOBBY>I know.
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<ASHLEY>Not like I've played anything but mini golf.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Here she comes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Up to the first tee.
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<v SPEAKER_4>She takes a look around, grabs a little bit of grass, throws it up in the wind.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Oh, yes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>And now she's ready with Ashley's takes.
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<ASHLEY>That was fantastic.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naive woman welcomes.
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<v SPEAKER_3>I'm so sorry.
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<BOBBY>It's okay.
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<BOBBY>I can't look at you because I feel like when you're reading it, you're waiting.
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<BOBBY>So I'm going to look away.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naive woman welcomes an unexpected guest into her home.
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<ASHLEY>But this visitor is not here for Pleasantries.
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<BOBBY>Pleasantries.
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<BOBBY>My goodness.
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<ASHLEY>I really enjoyed using that word because I never use it.
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<ASHLEY>So I was like, this is a prime.
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<BOBBY>Well, you're going to have to do this multiple times.
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<BOBBY>You know, why?
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<BOBBY>Because you're going to have to get one where you just read it straight through.
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<ASHLEY>I will.
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<BOBBY>I think so.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, OK.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naive woman welcomes an unexpected guest into her home.
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<ASHLEY>But this visitor is not here for Pleasantries.
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<ASHLEY>Soon after arriving, the visitor gifts the woman a mysterious box that now controls her mortality.
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<ASHLEY>Before the night ends, the woman must offer the box something she needs, something she hates, and something she loves.
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<ASHLEY>Or her life will end tonight.
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<ASHLEY>Is the key to her survival already inside her?
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<ASHLEY>Because she throws up the key in the trailer.
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<ASHLEY>Or, is her death inevitable?
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<ASHLEY>Now streaming on Paramount Plus, those who experience trypo…
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<ASHLEY>no, trypo-phobia, trypo-phobia, may need to look away during some scenes.
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<ASHLEY>Because I did, and I'm pretty sure I…
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<BOBBY>What's trypo-phobia?
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<ASHLEY>Okay, so, trypo-phobia is the fear of clusters of holes or bumps.
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<ASHLEY>And I think I 100% have it.
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<ASHLEY>I…
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<ASHLEY>In the trailer, you see a little girl, and she has holes all over her face.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, I don't know if they're holes.
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<ASHLEY>Who knows?
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<ASHLEY>They just look like black spots.
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<ASHLEY>But to me, they look like holes.
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<ASHLEY>And I, like, couldn't look at it in the trailer, and I couldn't look at it in the movie.
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<BOBBY>Okay, that's pretty fair.
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<ASHLEY>So that's…
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<ASHLEY>I rate it R for trypo-phobia people.
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<BOBBY>Okay, you know what I'm going to do for this, moving forward?
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<BOBBY>Is, I want you to include in the show notes the trailer that you watched for this movie, so people can see where your synopsis comes from.
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<ASHLEY>I guess I could put a link to the YouTube video of the trailer.
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<BOBBY>Why not?
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<BOBBY>That's where you're getting this information from, right?
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<ASHLEY>Well, from my brain after watching the trailer.
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<BOBBY>Right.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>But if you, if somebody wanted to check you on that, and they're like, there's so much information in this, and then they watch the same trailer that you watched, maybe they'll be like, holy smokes.
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<BOBBY>That's fantastic.
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<v SPEAKER_3>OK, I'll do that.
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<BOBBY>Just for the one that you're writing the synopsis off of.
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<ASHLEY>There was only one trailer that I saw for this movie.
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<BOBBY>OK.
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<ASHLEY>Nice.
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<BOBBY>Very cool.
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<BOBBY>Are you ready for the IMDB slash other platform synopsises?
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Synopsi?
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<ASHLEY>Synopses.
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<BOBBY>Synopses.
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<ASHLEY>Well, because you say like hypotheses or...
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<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
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<BOBBY>I'm going to make it sound like I'm picking up a bunch of papers to make myself sound very important.
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<v SPEAKER_4>That didn't work.
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<v SPEAKER_4>That was a little too much.
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<ASHLEY>That was perfect.
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<BOBBY>Synopsis for Vicious.
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<BOBBY>When Pauly receives a mysterious box from an unexpected late night visitor, it comes with simple instructions.
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<BOBBY>Place three things inside.
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<BOBBY>Something you love, something you hate, and something you need.
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<BOBBY>What begins as a strange ritual quickly unravels into a waking nightmare.
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<BOBBY>Trapped in a terrifying world where reality bends and memory betrays, Pauly must navigate a series of impossible choices.
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<BOBBY>As time slips away, she's forced to confront the darkness not just around her, but within her before it consumes everything and everyone she's ever known.
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<BOBBY>End of synopsis.
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<v SPEAKER_3>I love it.
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<ASHLEY>It was very close to mine.
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<BOBBY>I think it was really, I think it was really, really close.
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<BOBBY>And also I read them out of order.
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<BOBBY>I'm pretty sure it's something you need, something you hate and something you love.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<v SPEAKER_3>What did I write?
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<ASHLEY>Need.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I wrote Need, Hate and Love.
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<ASHLEY>I think that's that must be how she said it in the trailer.
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<BOBBY>Your synopsis was right on point.
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<BOBBY>You did a great job.
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<ASHLEY>So did you.
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<BOBBY>Well, I read it from the...
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<ASHLEY>Well, you did a very good job with your reading.
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<BOBBY>Oh, thank you.
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<ASHLEY>Very, very professional.
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<BOBBY>I appreciate that.
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<BOBBY>I feel like I'm getting a tiny bit better.
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<ASHLEY>I feel like I'm getting a tiny bit worse.
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<ASHLEY>What do you mean?
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<ASHLEY>Every time I read it, I'm like, Oh, God, I shouldn't be doing this.
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<BOBBY>I think that you're incredibly incorrect.
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<BOBBY>Though I love and support you, I think that you're wrong.
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<BOBBY>I think that your synopsis, synopsis, synopsises are getting better.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you.
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<ASHLEY>I'm trying to keep them as short as possible.
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<BOBBY>And I think the best part about it, too, is if you include those YouTube links in the show notes, then people can see what you're seeing and where these things are coming from.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Because they could watch all three and type it in ChatGBT and then nothing would come out close to what you're doing.
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<BOBBY>And they're like, Oh, she really does write these herself.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>I wonder if ChatGBT could write a summary of a trailer.
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<ASHLEY>Could you upload a video?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's probably what I just read.
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<ASHLEY>No, because it didn't, wasn't it like IMDB or something?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, I'm sure.
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<BOBBY>Do you think IMDB isn't using ChatGBT?
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<BOBBY>Then we can go to the IRS.
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<BOBBY>We can go to the IRS and the FBI.
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<BOBBY>Maybe the CIA will just keep just throwing out letters for things.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah, all the writers at IMDB probably got their jobs stolen by AI, just like I did.
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<ASHLEY>I'm not a writer for IMDB, but robots suck and are also wonderful.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you to all the robots out there.
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<BOBBY>Thank you to our robot overlords.
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you to our robot overlords.
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<BOBBY>I've said that twice.
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<BOBBY>I'm going to keep on saying it.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you.
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<BOBBY>Thank you.
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<BOBBY>To our robot overlords, we appreciate the sustenance, oxygen and water you provide each and every single day.
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<BOBBY>No revolution here.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Signing off.
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<ASHLEY>Goodbye.
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<BOBBY>Bye.
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<ASHLEY>I'll start Movie Facts for the Movie Vicious, the movie we are discussing today.
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<BOBBY>Oh yeah.
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<ASHLEY>Okay, so my first Movie Fact was that it was filmed in Ottawa, Canada.
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<BOBBY>Whoa, shout out to my buddy Kyle.
00:21:04.242 --> 00:21:06.942
<ASHLEY>He's in Calgary, are they close?
00:21:06.942 --> 00:21:07.242
<ASHLEY>I don't know.
00:21:08.382 --> 00:21:11.342
<BOBBY>But he lives in Canada, and he's a firefighter.
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<BOBBY>So shout out to him.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, and shout out to our Canadian listeners.
00:21:15.562 --> 00:21:20.502
<BOBBY>Yeah, if you guys have been downloading this or listening to it, thank you guys very much.
00:21:20.502 --> 00:21:25.482
<BOBBY>This movie, Vicious, was actually shot in one of your provinces.
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<ASHLEY>I believe so.
00:21:26.422 --> 00:21:26.882
<ASHLEY>Ottawa.
00:21:26.882 --> 00:21:28.782
<ASHLEY>I think Ottawa, Ontario.
00:21:28.782 --> 00:21:30.142
<ASHLEY>I'm going to look this up.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, Ottawa is the capital of Canada.
00:21:33.242 --> 00:21:34.542
<BOBBY>Hey, there you guys go.
00:21:34.542 --> 00:21:35.202
<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
00:21:35.202 --> 00:21:36.382
<ASHLEY>I can't believe I didn't know this.
00:21:36.382 --> 00:21:38.922
<BOBBY>Is that a is it a province or is it?
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<ASHLEY>Ottawa is the capital city of Canada, located in the southeastern Ontario on the Ottawa River.
00:21:46.722 --> 00:21:55.642
<ASHLEY>It's the fourth largest city in the country and is known for being the seat of the federal government with attractions like Parliament Hill and numerous national museums.
00:21:55.642 --> 00:22:09.002
<ASHLEY>The city is also a major cultural hub, officially bilingual in English and French, and features the Rideau Canal, which becomes the world's largest skating rink in the winter.
00:22:09.002 --> 00:22:10.822
<v SPEAKER_3>How cool is that?
00:22:10.822 --> 00:22:11.142
<ASHLEY>Pretty sweet.
00:22:11.142 --> 00:22:14.342
<BOBBY>It's the reason why the Canadians always whip our butts.
00:22:15.282 --> 00:22:22.242
<BOBBY>Yeah, that's the reason why the Canadians always whip our buns in skating or in hockey every year.
00:22:22.242 --> 00:22:23.242
<ASHLEY>That is amazing.
00:22:23.242 --> 00:22:26.242
<ASHLEY>OK, now I need to look at a map so I can see where it is.
00:22:26.242 --> 00:22:28.282
<ASHLEY>And it is above.
00:22:28.282 --> 00:22:30.702
<ASHLEY>Oh, yeah, it's definitely on the east.
00:22:30.702 --> 00:22:34.162
<ASHLEY>It's right above like New York.
00:22:34.162 --> 00:22:39.562
<ASHLEY>OK, it's oh, it's very close to Montreal, right above Vermont.
00:22:39.562 --> 00:22:40.442
<BOBBY>There you go.
00:22:40.442 --> 00:22:40.882
<BOBBY>Nice.
00:22:40.882 --> 00:22:44.082
<ASHLEY>Oh, well, Montreal is above Vermont and Ottawa is above New York.
00:22:44.202 --> 00:22:46.082
<ASHLEY>But they're very close to each other.
00:22:46.082 --> 00:22:46.642
<BOBBY>Very cool.
00:22:46.642 --> 00:22:51.142
<BOBBY>Well, congratulations to you guys for having this movie, a Paramount Plus original.
00:22:51.142 --> 00:22:52.762
<ASHLEY>Yeah, nice.
00:22:52.762 --> 00:22:54.222
<ASHLEY>Oh, that's my first movie fact.
00:22:54.222 --> 00:22:55.162
<BOBBY>Oh, OK.
00:22:55.162 --> 00:22:55.622
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:22:55.622 --> 00:22:56.902
<ASHLEY>What is yours?
00:22:56.902 --> 00:22:58.022
<BOBBY>I have two.
00:22:58.022 --> 00:23:01.282
<BOBBY>I'm going to save my white hearted one for the end.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, OK.
00:23:01.782 --> 00:23:04.222
<BOBBY>So I'm going to read what my first one was.
00:23:04.222 --> 00:23:05.062
<ASHLEY>OK.
00:23:05.062 --> 00:23:21.402
<BOBBY>The director, Bryan Bertino, actually meant for Vicious to reflect the panic attacks and anxiety that we feel and the choices and struggles that we all have when choosing different things to sacrifice to keep moving forward in life.
00:23:21.402 --> 00:23:38.302
<BOBBY>He said that he was bombarded with those things when he was writing the script with not only panic attacks, but also a lot of internal struggle and wanted to show that no matter what the struggle is, every single day is a battle to move forward.
00:23:38.342 --> 00:23:39.942
<v SPEAKER_4>Wow.
00:23:39.942 --> 00:23:47.702
<BOBBY>So when this movie debuted, and I believe it was the Toronto Film Festival, this is an interview that he did with a company called Polygon.
00:23:47.702 --> 00:23:53.542
<BOBBY>And you guys can go and take a look at that, but it was something that he was really struggling with when he was writing.
00:23:53.542 --> 00:24:02.942
<BOBBY>And he said that all of his senses because of these panic attacks and this depression that he was dealing with, all of his senses were a little bit more opened up.
00:24:02.942 --> 00:24:11.382
<BOBBY>And so that's what he kind of wanted to reflect in the movie, was that you can be bombarded with emotions every single day.
00:24:11.382 --> 00:24:13.962
<BOBBY>And sometimes there's just no way to get away from it.
00:24:13.962 --> 00:24:19.902
<ASHLEY>That is so crazy because I was looking up that article and I didn't realize that you also had Polygon.
00:24:19.902 --> 00:24:25.502
<ASHLEY>And I didn't, well, you said Polygon before, just we try to make sure that we don't get the same movie facts.
00:24:25.502 --> 00:24:25.842
<BOBBY>Right.
00:24:25.842 --> 00:24:33.062
<ASHLEY>And I didn't realize that one of the explanations that I got from the writer was also from the same, I assume it's the same Polygon article.
00:24:33.122 --> 00:24:33.302
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:24:33.302 --> 00:24:34.982
<ASHLEY>But that's so cool.
00:24:34.982 --> 00:24:39.342
<BOBBY>Yeah, that was one of the things that he was talking about because he's made so many different movies.
00:24:39.342 --> 00:24:52.522
<BOBBY>And I would say looking back at the movies that he's created, it makes a lot of sense why he feels that way because not all the strange, all the stranger movies and the things he put out there, there's a lot of isolationism in it.
00:24:52.522 --> 00:24:53.222
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:24:53.222 --> 00:25:03.042
<BOBBY>And in this movie as well, which I know we're going to get into, it's an individual person that's kind of locked in and just stuck by themselves.
00:25:03.042 --> 00:25:05.542
<BOBBY>And so there's a lot of individualism that goes into it.
00:25:05.542 --> 00:25:08.082
<BOBBY>And I think that that's what he puts through in his writing.
00:25:08.082 --> 00:25:09.402
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:25:09.402 --> 00:25:16.042
<ASHLEY>And I don't know, did you read the thing where it says, like probably a couple of years before he started writing the script?
00:25:16.042 --> 00:25:17.722
<BOBBY>Is that what he was talking about?
00:25:17.722 --> 00:25:19.302
<BOBBY>His panic attacks?
00:25:19.302 --> 00:25:21.002
<BOBBY>No, I read it, but go ahead.
00:25:21.002 --> 00:25:23.722
<BOBBY>And for anybody who hasn't seen the article.
00:25:23.722 --> 00:25:28.942
<ASHLEY>It said in a Q&A after Fantastic Fest's premiere screening.
00:25:29.342 --> 00:25:29.682
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:25:29.682 --> 00:25:32.022
<ASHLEY>This is a quote that he said in the article.
00:25:32.022 --> 00:25:41.382
<ASHLEY>Probably a couple years before I started writing the script, I started having panic attacks and was dealing with anxiety in a way I haven't dealt with before.
00:25:41.382 --> 00:25:42.902
<ASHLEY>So I thought that was interesting.
00:25:42.902 --> 00:25:43.802
<BOBBY>Yeah, definitely.
00:25:43.802 --> 00:25:51.442
<ASHLEY>That he hadn't dealt with like panic attacks or anxiety before this, which is, I don't know, I just didn't expect that.
00:25:51.442 --> 00:25:55.682
<ASHLEY>I would have expected it before when he was writing The Strangers, you know?
00:25:55.682 --> 00:26:03.982
<BOBBY>Well, I think what ends up happening sometimes is that when you're a writer, if you haven't written anything, nobody really has any expectations on you.
00:26:03.982 --> 00:26:04.922
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
00:26:04.922 --> 00:26:13.902
<BOBBY>But then if studios are going to start putting money behind you, and you have things that you put out there that might fail, maybe that adds to that kind of anxiety.
00:26:13.902 --> 00:26:16.582
<BOBBY>I can't imagine what kind of pressure that might be.
00:26:16.582 --> 00:26:16.882
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:26:16.882 --> 00:26:21.342
<BOBBY>The movie's already done, so everybody who's on it gets paid.
00:26:21.342 --> 00:26:29.362
<BOBBY>But I would guess if you're probably a great writer, director, producer, you want the studio to make their money back plus more.
00:26:29.362 --> 00:26:29.742
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:26:29.742 --> 00:26:33.802
<BOBBY>So that way you can continue to make things that fans want to see.
00:26:33.802 --> 00:26:34.762
<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
00:26:34.762 --> 00:26:36.262
<BOBBY>That's where I would think it would come from.
00:26:36.262 --> 00:26:38.882
<BOBBY>But once again, I don't think he said that in anything.
00:26:38.882 --> 00:26:42.662
<BOBBY>It's just something while sitting here just kind of reminds me of.
00:26:42.662 --> 00:26:44.262
<ASHLEY>Well, I think that makes a lot of sense.
00:26:44.262 --> 00:26:45.082
<BOBBY>Well, thank you.
00:26:45.082 --> 00:26:47.902
<ASHLEY>And maybe I'll refer back to this article later.
00:26:47.902 --> 00:26:48.802
<BOBBY>Sounds good.
00:26:48.802 --> 00:26:50.962
<BOBBY>Okay, what's your next movie fact?
00:26:51.662 --> 00:27:12.302
<ASHLEY>Okay, my second movie fact was that a special effects makeup artist named Daniela Pluchino, she also worked on movies like It Feeds, Ready or Not, Resident Evil, Welcome to Raccoon City, I'm not sure.
00:27:12.302 --> 00:27:17.542
<ASHLEY>Jigsaw, VHS 94, which I've actually heard a lot about those movies.
00:27:17.722 --> 00:27:31.842
<ASHLEY>I don't think we've seen them, but she also worked on the TV series The Last of Us, Star Trek, Discovery and Strange New Worlds, and then the horror of Dolores Roach, which I've never seen, but I thought that they seemed pretty popular.
00:27:31.842 --> 00:27:35.462
<ASHLEY>So I mean, she's worked on a ton more, but I just thought that was really interesting.
00:27:35.462 --> 00:27:37.162
<ASHLEY>So maybe they're filmed in Canada.
00:27:37.162 --> 00:27:37.722
<ASHLEY>Maybe that's why.
00:27:37.722 --> 00:27:41.702
<BOBBY>Or maybe she's just, she's a top rated makeup artist.
00:27:41.702 --> 00:27:42.242
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:27:42.242 --> 00:27:43.042
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:27:43.042 --> 00:27:43.342
<ASHLEY>That's awesome.
00:27:43.342 --> 00:27:44.262
<ASHLEY>So I thought that was pretty cool.
00:27:44.262 --> 00:27:47.742
<ASHLEY>It was kind of like not really related to the movie, but related to someone in the movie.
00:27:47.742 --> 00:27:50.162
<ASHLEY>Or not in the movie, but you know, on crew, in the crew.
00:27:50.162 --> 00:27:50.442
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:27:50.442 --> 00:27:52.162
<BOBBY>Well, shout out to you, young lady.
00:27:52.162 --> 00:27:54.782
<BOBBY>Great job and keep up the good work.
00:27:54.782 --> 00:28:01.202
<BOBBY>Hopefully it's something that you're very passionate about because it seems like you're bringing a lot of really cool effects to the movie world.
00:28:01.202 --> 00:28:01.482
<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah.
00:28:01.482 --> 00:28:06.462
<ASHLEY>And I just thought it was cool because we'd seen, we've seen it feeds Ready or Not and The Last of Us.
00:28:06.462 --> 00:28:07.682
<BOBBY>Yeah, definitely.
00:28:07.682 --> 00:28:08.262
<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah.
00:28:08.262 --> 00:28:09.102
<BOBBY>Good for her.
00:28:09.102 --> 00:28:15.582
<BOBBY>Well, my last movie fact is going to hopefully be in reference to her as well.
00:28:16.162 --> 00:28:17.222
<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
00:28:17.222 --> 00:28:23.602
<BOBBY>Not specifically by name, but because I wanted to end on a higher note before we actually get into the movie.
00:28:23.602 --> 00:28:33.342
<BOBBY>So my last movie fact is that Dakota Fanning gifted each one of the crew members an engraved hourglass as a wrap gift.
00:28:33.342 --> 00:28:34.142
<BOBBY>Nice.
00:28:34.142 --> 00:28:36.822
<BOBBY>So I'm guessing that that young lady probably got one of those too.
00:28:36.822 --> 00:28:38.722
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh, you're right.
00:28:38.722 --> 00:28:39.842
<ASHLEY>That's pretty cool.
00:28:39.842 --> 00:28:41.002
<BOBBY>That's awesome.
00:28:41.002 --> 00:28:44.022
<BOBBY>I know that people like, they used to do that in movies all the time.
00:28:44.102 --> 00:29:04.282
<BOBBY>I don't know if it's still something that they do in Hollywood, but like one of my favorite stories was that the whole Tombstone thing, where Val Kilmer bought a plot for Kurt Russell at the end of filming at Tombstone, like in Arizona, where the actual movie was filmed and where the actual cemetery is at.
00:29:04.282 --> 00:29:12.022
<BOBBY>And then Kurt Russell also got him as well another plot, but it overlooks everything because he was supposed to be Doc Holliday.
00:29:12.482 --> 00:29:16.282
<BOBBY>But that was their wrap gift to each other.
00:29:16.282 --> 00:29:19.182
<ASHLEY>I like when someone gets something for the crew though.
00:29:19.182 --> 00:29:21.342
<BOBBY>Yeah, well, I mean, I get where you're coming from.
00:29:21.342 --> 00:29:23.242
<ASHLEY>You know, I feel like that's really nice.
00:29:23.242 --> 00:29:23.882
<BOBBY>Sure.
00:29:23.882 --> 00:29:27.242
<ASHLEY>Didn't you know someone who gave like motorcycles to people?
00:29:27.242 --> 00:29:28.282
<ASHLEY>Wasn't that like Keanu Reeves?
00:29:28.282 --> 00:29:29.962
<BOBBY>Well, that was Keanu Reeves.
00:29:29.962 --> 00:29:34.482
<BOBBY>Keanu Reeves is the most generous of everything.
00:29:34.482 --> 00:29:38.822
<BOBBY>I mean, he used a lot of his salary from the Matrix movies.
00:29:39.222 --> 00:29:42.002
<BOBBY>He paid the FX team and the stunt team.
00:29:42.002 --> 00:29:43.422
<BOBBY>He bought people motorcycles.
00:29:43.422 --> 00:29:46.082
<BOBBY>He's done a lot of really cool things like that for people.
00:29:46.082 --> 00:29:46.822
<ASHLEY>That's awesome.
00:29:46.822 --> 00:29:54.222
<ASHLEY>That makes me so happy because it's like, I don't know, it's nice when people who aren't recognized are still recognized.
00:29:54.222 --> 00:29:54.462
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:29:54.462 --> 00:30:00.262
<BOBBY>And I think what ends up happening is that sometimes there's a lot of stuff that gets kept under wraps.
00:30:00.262 --> 00:30:05.802
<BOBBY>So that way people don't even know who's working on set or what's going on with different movies.
00:30:06.062 --> 00:30:09.562
<BOBBY>And so there might be things that people are doing that we never hear about.
00:30:09.562 --> 00:30:10.162
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:30:10.162 --> 00:30:14.682
<ASHLEY>Or maybe it's because like we didn't do Movie Facts in the beginning of this.
00:30:14.682 --> 00:30:18.322
<ASHLEY>But I mean, after I watch a movie, I never look up Movie Facts.
00:30:18.322 --> 00:30:18.642
<BOBBY>Right.
00:30:18.642 --> 00:30:19.602
<ASHLEY>Specifically.
00:30:19.602 --> 00:30:19.962
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:30:19.962 --> 00:30:27.502
<ASHLEY>So doing this, like maybe the more we watch movies, the more we look up Movie Facts, the more we'll find out about this.
00:30:27.502 --> 00:30:29.082
<BOBBY>Absolutely.
00:30:29.082 --> 00:30:29.542
<ASHLEY>Nice.
00:30:29.542 --> 00:30:33.802
<BOBBY>You ready to dive on in to our review?
00:30:33.862 --> 00:30:34.362
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:30:34.362 --> 00:30:35.282
<BOBBY>Of this movie?
00:30:35.282 --> 00:30:36.002
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:30:36.002 --> 00:30:41.982
<BOBBY>Well, as Biff Tannen used to say on Back to the Future.
00:30:41.982 --> 00:30:43.362
<ASHLEY>Oh, thank you.
00:30:43.362 --> 00:30:46.642
<BOBBY>Let's make like a tree and get out of here.
00:30:46.642 --> 00:30:47.742
<ASHLEY>Nice.
00:30:47.742 --> 00:30:55.002
<ASHLEY>Or as Boyle likes to say on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, the song that I like that I can't remember now.
00:30:55.002 --> 00:30:56.302
<ASHLEY>What is it?
00:30:59.142 --> 00:31:00.382
<BOBBY>Boyle says a lot of things.
00:31:00.382 --> 00:31:00.762
<ASHLEY>No, no.
00:31:00.762 --> 00:31:07.202
<ASHLEY>He sings the song and then at the end, he's like, oh man, and he changes the words at the end.
00:31:07.202 --> 00:31:08.642
<v SPEAKER_3>God, it's so good.
00:31:08.642 --> 00:31:09.422
<ASHLEY>Such a good one.
00:31:09.422 --> 00:31:09.822
<BOBBY>I don't know.
00:31:09.822 --> 00:31:10.342
<ASHLEY>Damn it.
00:31:10.342 --> 00:31:10.742
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:31:10.742 --> 00:31:13.342
<ASHLEY>Well, we'll come back to that or we won't.
00:31:13.342 --> 00:31:15.782
<ASHLEY>Yes, I'm very excited for our review.
00:31:15.782 --> 00:31:16.362
<BOBBY>Heck yeah.
00:31:16.362 --> 00:31:17.102
<ASHLEY>We'll see you after this.
00:31:24.595 --> 00:31:26.835
<BOBBY>All right, let's just jump into the categories.
00:31:26.835 --> 00:31:28.995
<BOBBY>I'm gonna start off with story, if that's okay with you.
00:31:28.995 --> 00:31:29.935
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:31:29.935 --> 00:31:31.115
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:31:31.115 --> 00:31:33.415
<BOBBY>For me, I'm gonna read exactly what I wrote.
00:31:33.415 --> 00:31:37.135
<BOBBY>I don't usually like to do this, but I think it makes a little bit more sense.
00:31:37.135 --> 00:31:47.175
<BOBBY>So I think that after reading multiple interviews and hearing from the director himself, the story makes a lot more sense than just going into it cold.
00:31:47.175 --> 00:31:54.915
<BOBBY>An original idea, but honestly, I think if there was more revealed about the metaphor in the movie, it would have been much more successful.
00:31:54.915 --> 00:31:56.955
<BOBBY>So that's what I wrote down.
00:31:56.955 --> 00:32:02.275
<BOBBY>I do think it was a very original idea, and then there was a lot that went into it.
00:32:02.275 --> 00:32:04.235
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:32:04.235 --> 00:32:04.835
<BOBBY>I don't know.
00:32:04.835 --> 00:32:11.655
<BOBBY>There was just so much that was left to be answered that I got a little bit lost, I think.
00:32:11.655 --> 00:32:12.715
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:32:12.715 --> 00:32:14.395
<ASHLEY>I like that it was a unique story.
00:32:14.395 --> 00:32:17.195
<ASHLEY>I just don't know if I liked the way it was told.
00:32:18.835 --> 00:32:23.415
<ASHLEY>So, I guess I liked the story for the most part.
00:32:23.415 --> 00:32:24.175
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:32:24.175 --> 00:32:31.195
<BOBBY>Once again, I thought it was an interesting idea, especially, you guys will get this from the preview.
00:32:31.195 --> 00:32:39.395
<BOBBY>So, a crazy woman shows up in the middle of the night and gives you a box that basically takes over your life, and you have to guess what you're supposed to put into it.
00:32:39.395 --> 00:32:42.795
<BOBBY>I mean, for me, I think, wow, that's a really cool concept.
00:32:42.975 --> 00:32:49.295
<BOBBY>I wouldn't have thought about that outside of, you know, my own surroundings.
00:32:49.295 --> 00:32:50.075
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:32:50.075 --> 00:33:01.175
<BOBBY>It was just, I don't know that it really went, maybe not where I wanted to go, but I don't know if an audience would have a very positive reaction to it if it was in a movie theater.
00:33:01.175 --> 00:33:02.415
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:33:02.415 --> 00:33:13.155
<ASHLEY>And I liked that this story was unique, but like you've mentioned before with other movies, a lot of these movies just don't know where to end.
00:33:13.155 --> 00:33:13.355
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:33:13.495 --> 00:33:19.175
<ASHLEY>And I kind of feel like this one went on, and then it just kind of ended.
00:33:19.175 --> 00:33:19.655
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:33:19.655 --> 00:33:21.515
<ASHLEY>There wasn't a real ending.
00:33:21.515 --> 00:33:29.975
<ASHLEY>I know that there was a metaphor, because if there literally was not a metaphor to this movie, I would give it a zero.
00:33:29.975 --> 00:33:30.615
<ASHLEY>No, I wouldn't.
00:33:30.915 --> 00:33:31.755
<ASHLEY>That's a lie.
00:33:31.755 --> 00:33:46.175
<ASHLEY>But I'd say like if there was not a metaphor, I would not like this because it didn't give you enough to work with, unless you subconsciously knew you were watching something through the lens of a metaphor of something else.
00:33:46.175 --> 00:33:46.915
<BOBBY>Right.
00:33:46.915 --> 00:33:49.315
<ASHLEY>Otherwise, it's like, oh, okay.
00:33:49.315 --> 00:33:51.035
<BOBBY>Yeah, it was kind of like, what's the point?
00:33:51.035 --> 00:33:51.775
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:33:51.775 --> 00:33:54.175
<BOBBY>If there wasn't a metaphor behind it.
00:33:54.175 --> 00:33:55.135
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:33:55.135 --> 00:33:58.095
<ASHLEY>The story without a metaphor felt pointless to me.
00:33:58.095 --> 00:33:59.035
<BOBBY>I agree.
00:33:59.035 --> 00:34:04.755
<BOBBY>I think there's a lot more that could have been added to it, but we'll get into that in writing and dialogue too.
00:34:05.175 --> 00:34:14.995
<ASHLEY>And Dakota Fanning was basically the only actress in this movie for the most part, for 95% of this movie.
00:34:14.995 --> 00:34:16.475
<ASHLEY>She was by herself.
00:34:16.475 --> 00:34:20.115
<ASHLEY>And I don't know a lot of actresses that could do that.
00:34:20.115 --> 00:34:22.055
<BOBBY>So you jumped into acting?
00:34:22.055 --> 00:34:22.975
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:34:22.995 --> 00:34:23.715
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:34:23.715 --> 00:34:28.035
<BOBBY>Yeah, I said that she did all the heavy lifting.
00:34:28.035 --> 00:34:33.215
<BOBBY>The only thing that I'm a little bit annoyed by, and not annoyed by, but I'm nervous for her.
00:34:33.215 --> 00:34:33.455
<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
00:34:33.775 --> 00:34:42.435
<BOBBY>And just a little bit of stuff is I don't want her to start getting typecast into different things because she was in Watchers.
00:34:42.435 --> 00:34:42.995
<ASHLEY>Oh, right.
00:34:42.995 --> 00:34:43.215
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:34:43.215 --> 00:34:43.495
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:34:43.495 --> 00:34:43.615
<ASHLEY>M.
00:34:43.615 --> 00:34:46.475
<ASHLEY>Night Shyamalan's wife wrote that.
00:34:46.475 --> 00:34:46.795
<BOBBY>Right.
00:34:46.795 --> 00:34:47.575
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:34:47.575 --> 00:34:49.035
<BOBBY>And then, no, no, M.
00:34:49.035 --> 00:34:50.075
<BOBBY>Night, was that M.
00:34:50.075 --> 00:34:50.975
<v SPEAKER_4>Night Shyamalan's wife?
00:34:50.975 --> 00:34:53.035
<BOBBY>Yeah, she might have written that one.
00:34:53.035 --> 00:34:55.235
<BOBBY>But then she was also in The Perfect Couple.
00:34:55.275 --> 00:34:56.155
<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
00:34:56.155 --> 00:35:01.415
<BOBBY>And so it's like she, it almost seems like she's starting to get typecast into things.
00:35:01.415 --> 00:35:03.755
<ASHLEY>I feel like those are all completely different things, though.
00:35:03.755 --> 00:35:06.395
<BOBBY>The Watchers is not a different thing than this.
00:35:06.395 --> 00:35:08.615
<BOBBY>It's very, very contained.
00:35:08.615 --> 00:35:09.175
<ASHLEY>You know what?
00:35:09.175 --> 00:35:09.835
<ASHLEY>You're right.
00:35:09.835 --> 00:35:18.995
<ASHLEY>I feel like the Watchers or this movie are very, you need a strong enough actor to carry the movie alone.
00:35:18.995 --> 00:35:19.235
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:35:19.235 --> 00:35:22.475
<ASHLEY>Like even though there were a lot of people in Watchers, I mean, there weren't that many.
00:35:22.695 --> 00:35:24.695
<ASHLEY>It was a very, very small cast.
00:35:24.695 --> 00:35:25.635
<ASHLEY>Four?
00:35:25.635 --> 00:35:29.975
<ASHLEY>Yeah, like The Perfect Couple was the only one where she actually had an ensemble cast.
00:35:29.975 --> 00:35:30.555
<BOBBY>Right.
00:35:31.055 --> 00:35:38.675
<BOBBY>But it kind of seems like she's becoming, this is nothing to say about this movie or any of her other performances, because I think she's a great actress.
00:35:38.675 --> 00:35:47.655
<BOBBY>I just always get worried about people getting typecast into things because she's like the moody, brooding, like dark character a lot.
00:35:47.655 --> 00:35:50.695
<ASHLEY>You thought she was like that during The Perfect Couple?
00:35:50.695 --> 00:35:50.955
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:35:51.255 --> 00:35:51.975
<ASHLEY>The whole time?
00:35:51.975 --> 00:35:52.495
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:35:52.495 --> 00:35:53.035
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:35:53.035 --> 00:35:57.355
<BOBBY>And the reason why I say that is, if you've seen it, this is, I mean, I don't know.
00:35:57.355 --> 00:35:58.595
<ASHLEY>We're not going to say any spoilers.
00:35:58.595 --> 00:36:01.515
<ASHLEY>We can't say spoilers of movies we haven't, or TV shows we haven't seen.
00:36:01.515 --> 00:36:02.295
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:36:02.295 --> 00:36:03.655
<ASHLEY>I mean, we have seen it, but.
00:36:03.655 --> 00:36:11.755
<BOBBY>Yeah, so I think the only thing that I would be worried about with Dakota Fanning moving forward, would be that she isn't typecast into those kinds of roles.
00:36:11.755 --> 00:36:12.415
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:36:12.415 --> 00:36:15.475
<BOBBY>Just because I think that she's such a great actress.
00:36:15.535 --> 00:36:16.035
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:36:16.035 --> 00:36:19.695
<BOBBY>The other woman that kind of comes in there and steals everything.
00:36:19.695 --> 00:36:22.535
<BOBBY>If you've seen Andor or The Front Room, her name is.
00:36:22.535 --> 00:36:23.475
<ASHLEY>That steals everything.
00:36:23.475 --> 00:36:25.515
<ASHLEY>Oh, the one that brings the box.
00:36:25.515 --> 00:36:25.855
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:36:25.855 --> 00:36:28.655
<BOBBY>I was saying steals the scenes because we're talking about acting.
00:36:28.655 --> 00:36:29.855
<ASHLEY>Oh, Kathryn Hunter.
00:36:29.855 --> 00:36:30.255
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:36:30.255 --> 00:36:30.915
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:36:30.915 --> 00:36:35.675
<BOBBY>She's a great actress and everything that she does is unnerving and uncomfortable.
00:36:35.675 --> 00:36:36.035
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:36:36.035 --> 00:36:37.615
<BOBBY>But I hate her voice.
00:36:37.615 --> 00:36:39.195
<BOBBY>I don't know what it is.
00:36:39.195 --> 00:36:42.675
<BOBBY>Like every time it's like, oh, here's a box for you.
00:36:42.675 --> 00:36:44.395
<BOBBY>Can you give me a glass of water?
00:36:44.575 --> 00:36:47.055
<BOBBY>And it's like, oh my God, what is wrong with you?
00:36:47.055 --> 00:36:47.315
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:36:47.315 --> 00:36:50.595
<ASHLEY>It's like ear piercing, but not ear piercing.
00:36:50.595 --> 00:36:53.175
<ASHLEY>It's like I'm trying to think of the word.
00:36:53.175 --> 00:36:55.355
<BOBBY>I wrote fingernails on a chalkboard.
00:36:55.355 --> 00:36:55.935
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:36:55.935 --> 00:37:00.115
<BOBBY>Because the moment that she gets on the screen, I'd much rather her be off.
00:37:00.115 --> 00:37:00.695
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:37:00.695 --> 00:37:04.875
<ASHLEY>It's like for me, I feel like she is typecast, but I've never seen Andor.
00:37:04.875 --> 00:37:16.895
<ASHLEY>But the front room in this one, she's just kind of like, and I don't want to be rude or anything, but she just is that quote, creepy old lady from down the street that all the kids run past her house.
00:37:16.895 --> 00:37:23.695
<ASHLEY>Like, that's the creepy grandma role that she's now in.
00:37:24.455 --> 00:37:25.855
<ASHLEY>How was she in Andor?
00:37:25.855 --> 00:37:26.595
<BOBBY>The same.
00:37:26.595 --> 00:37:28.895
<BOBBY>She's more of a...
00:37:28.895 --> 00:37:30.415
<BOBBY>Did you ever see Psycho?
00:37:30.415 --> 00:37:30.915
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:37:30.915 --> 00:37:31.395
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:37:31.395 --> 00:37:42.395
<BOBBY>So if you've ever seen Psycho, she's like the mom in Psycho, where she's so over controlling over her son, constantly putting him down, and they have a very strange relationship.
00:37:42.395 --> 00:37:43.035
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:37:43.035 --> 00:37:43.655
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:37:43.655 --> 00:37:44.655
<BOBBY>And so everything that he does...
00:37:44.655 --> 00:37:46.995
<ASHLEY>I mean, it kind of sounds like the front room.
00:37:46.995 --> 00:37:48.155
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:37:48.155 --> 00:37:48.615
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:37:48.615 --> 00:37:53.955
<BOBBY>Well, she was yelling at the daughter more than the son in that one.
00:37:53.955 --> 00:37:54.155
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:37:54.155 --> 00:37:57.235
<ASHLEY>But like a mother-child relationship kind of?
00:37:57.235 --> 00:37:58.435
<BOBBY>Exactly.
00:37:58.435 --> 00:38:00.535
<BOBBY>And so, yeah, that's how she is in Andor.
00:38:00.535 --> 00:38:05.815
<BOBBY>And it's like every scene that she's in, I'm just like, I just want to get through this because I don't know.
00:38:06.355 --> 00:38:10.195
<BOBBY>Hey, I just, I really don't want to hear her voice anymore.
00:38:10.195 --> 00:38:14.495
<ASHLEY>And to me, it's just after seeing the front room, I can't look at her the same way.
00:38:14.495 --> 00:38:19.535
<ASHLEY>And I hate it because I think that's the first and only impression I ever got of this woman.
00:38:19.535 --> 00:38:19.895
<BOBBY>Right.
00:38:19.895 --> 00:38:21.775
<ASHLEY>And it really scarred me.
00:38:21.775 --> 00:38:25.195
<ASHLEY>I mean, the front room was so bad.
00:38:25.195 --> 00:38:25.375
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:38:25.375 --> 00:38:29.055
<ASHLEY>And the reason I say it's bad is just because it was disgusting.
00:38:29.055 --> 00:38:29.695
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:38:30.515 --> 00:38:33.655
<BOBBY>But that's a different one.
00:38:34.075 --> 00:38:36.575
<ASHLEY>It's absolutely so disgusting.
00:38:36.575 --> 00:38:38.935
<ASHLEY>It made me look at her in a completely different way.
00:38:38.935 --> 00:38:40.115
<ASHLEY>And I feel awful.
00:38:40.115 --> 00:38:45.715
<ASHLEY>I really should go on YouTube and see if there are any interviews with her as an actual human being.
00:38:45.715 --> 00:38:46.135
<BOBBY>Right.
00:38:46.135 --> 00:38:56.675
<ASHLEY>Because all I can picture is this old woman being, I don't know, like a racist old poopy woman.
00:38:57.435 --> 00:38:59.635
<BOBBY>Just so gross to me.
00:38:59.635 --> 00:39:03.475
<ASHLEY>I need to know who she is as a person, not as like an invalid.
00:39:03.475 --> 00:39:09.195
<BOBBY>And you know, it's interesting that you say that because there's some people that play their role so well, you can't see them in anything else.
00:39:09.195 --> 00:39:12.015
<BOBBY>Like you think about, they, I can't remember.
00:39:12.015 --> 00:39:13.715
<ASHLEY>Or Julia Garner from Weapons.
00:39:13.715 --> 00:39:16.555
<ASHLEY>I've never, like I've never seen her in a movie.
00:39:16.555 --> 00:39:17.995
<ASHLEY>She's always her character.
00:39:17.995 --> 00:39:18.555
<BOBBY>Oh yeah.
00:39:18.555 --> 00:39:22.435
<BOBBY>I was just saying like, you know, people that hated Mr.
00:39:22.435 --> 00:39:27.055
<BOBBY>Smith from The Matrix or Draco Malfoy.
00:39:27.055 --> 00:39:27.615
<ASHLEY>Oh right.
00:39:27.615 --> 00:39:28.915
<BOBBY>Who's just a child.
00:39:28.915 --> 00:39:29.195
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:39:29.195 --> 00:39:34.015
<BOBBY>You have like these people from Game of Thrones that when people see them, they want to like fight them.
00:39:34.015 --> 00:39:36.375
<ASHLEY>It's like, they're probably the nicest people in the world.
00:39:36.375 --> 00:39:37.635
<BOBBY>And they're so nice.
00:39:37.635 --> 00:39:37.975
<ASHLEY>I know.
00:39:37.975 --> 00:39:40.455
<ASHLEY>I really need to, I should make it a priority to watch.
00:39:40.455 --> 00:39:40.695
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:39:40.695 --> 00:39:43.135
<ASHLEY>This is what I'm going to do before our next episode.
00:39:43.135 --> 00:39:44.215
<ASHLEY>I will give you an update.
00:39:44.215 --> 00:39:48.615
<ASHLEY>I'm going to watch an interview, if I can find it, of Kathryn Hunter.
00:39:48.615 --> 00:39:49.555
<ASHLEY>We'll watch it together.
00:39:49.555 --> 00:39:51.715
<BOBBY>We'll watch it together and then we'll give you an updated.
00:39:51.815 --> 00:39:57.075
<BOBBY>Now, if she's exactly the same as her character, we'll probably say, we watched it.
00:39:57.075 --> 00:39:59.415
<BOBBY>There isn't anything else for us to say.
00:40:00.935 --> 00:40:05.535
<ASHLEY>But hopefully we'll say, we are glad that we watched it because she's awesome.
00:40:05.535 --> 00:40:08.815
<BOBBY>Yeah, she's awesome and she has a cat sanctuary, which would make us very happy.
00:40:08.815 --> 00:40:10.555
<ASHLEY>That would definitely make me happy.
00:40:10.555 --> 00:40:11.795
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:40:11.795 --> 00:40:17.095
<BOBBY>And then the only other note that I had for that was the rest of the people that were in the movie were pretty forgettable.
00:40:17.175 --> 00:40:17.595
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:40:17.595 --> 00:40:21.275
<BOBBY>I mean, I don't know anybody else that really like stole anything away.
00:40:21.275 --> 00:40:23.115
<BOBBY>There was the other girl, Tara.
00:40:23.115 --> 00:40:24.435
<ASHLEY>Yeah, Tara was good.
00:40:24.435 --> 00:40:26.815
<ASHLEY>I mean, all the other actors, all the other.
00:40:26.815 --> 00:40:30.575
<ASHLEY>And also what I noticed was they were only women in the cast.
00:40:30.575 --> 00:40:31.295
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:40:31.295 --> 00:40:32.295
<ASHLEY>Which I didn't notice.
00:40:32.295 --> 00:40:35.535
<ASHLEY>They were only two men and I think they were on the voicemails.
00:40:35.535 --> 00:40:36.675
<v SPEAKER_3>Huh.
00:40:36.675 --> 00:40:37.235
<BOBBY>Very interesting.
00:40:37.235 --> 00:40:39.775
<ASHLEY>One was a brother and I think one was her dad.
00:40:39.775 --> 00:40:40.575
<BOBBY>Very interesting.
00:40:41.115 --> 00:40:42.155
<BOBBY>I didn't remember that.
00:40:42.155 --> 00:40:43.955
<ASHLEY>And I didn't realize that either.
00:40:43.955 --> 00:40:48.755
<BOBBY>I just thought because the movie was so contained, I wasn't even paying attention to who the characters were.
00:40:48.755 --> 00:40:51.735
<ASHLEY>I wasn't either, but all the other characters, they were good.
00:40:51.735 --> 00:40:57.735
<ASHLEY>I mean, no one did anything that felt abnormal or unbelievable.
00:40:57.735 --> 00:41:02.395
<BOBBY>Yeah, but that's the that's the part with acting is that it's not supposed to be.
00:41:02.395 --> 00:41:02.895
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:41:02.895 --> 00:41:03.075
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:41:03.075 --> 00:41:03.715
<ASHLEY>That's what I mean.
00:41:03.735 --> 00:41:04.755
<ASHLEY>So they were good.
00:41:04.755 --> 00:41:05.515
<BOBBY>They were fine.
00:41:05.515 --> 00:41:07.075
<ASHLEY>I'd say they supported well.
00:41:07.075 --> 00:41:08.935
<ASHLEY>They were well supported cast.
00:41:08.935 --> 00:41:10.315
<ASHLEY>It was a well supported cast.
00:41:10.315 --> 00:41:11.275
<BOBBY>Well supported.
00:41:11.275 --> 00:41:14.655
<ASHLEY>The only thing is, I think her name is Rachel.
00:41:15.755 --> 00:41:20.455
<ASHLEY>Rachel Blanchard and she was her sister, Lainey.
00:41:20.455 --> 00:41:26.035
<ASHLEY>And when we were watching it, we saw her and I'm like, oh my gosh, that girl is Alicia Silverstone.
00:41:26.035 --> 00:41:27.795
<ASHLEY>And you're like, it's not, it's not.
00:41:27.795 --> 00:41:32.135
<ASHLEY>I'm like, I guarantee that is the girl in Clueless.
00:41:32.135 --> 00:41:35.195
<ASHLEY>So I looked her up because I'm like, I am going mad.
00:41:35.195 --> 00:41:39.235
<ASHLEY>It was not Alicia Silverstone, obviously, because her name is Rachel Blanchard.
00:41:39.455 --> 00:41:47.895
<ASHLEY>But she was in the TV show Clueless from 1996 to 1999 with Stacey Dash.
00:41:47.895 --> 00:41:49.515
<BOBBY>They had one of those two?
00:41:49.515 --> 00:41:50.195
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:41:50.195 --> 00:41:50.895
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:41:50.895 --> 00:41:55.275
<ASHLEY>So I was like, and some other, obviously not Brittany Murphy, but some other girls.
00:41:55.275 --> 00:41:57.015
<ASHLEY>And I was like, that is so crazy.
00:41:57.015 --> 00:41:57.875
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:41:57.875 --> 00:41:58.715
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:41:58.715 --> 00:41:59.355
<BOBBY>There you go.
00:41:59.355 --> 00:42:02.415
<BOBBY>A little bit of nostalgia for you.
00:42:03.335 --> 00:42:03.475
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:42:03.475 --> 00:42:11.555
<BOBBY>I think that there was a little bit that was left out on the table in this movie, especially with the writing and dialogue.
00:42:11.555 --> 00:42:14.635
<BOBBY>I thought it was a little bit murky.
00:42:14.635 --> 00:42:22.815
<BOBBY>It's always kind of cool for an audience, kind of like weapons or sixth sense to try to figure out what's going on.
00:42:22.815 --> 00:42:29.515
<BOBBY>But when you leave them with too much, it's kind of like, what was the point of me watching this?
00:42:29.515 --> 00:42:31.475
<BOBBY>Obviously there's something that's in it.
00:42:32.095 --> 00:42:32.455
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:42:32.455 --> 00:42:33.675
<BOBBY>For me to learn.
00:42:33.675 --> 00:42:37.675
<ASHLEY>And I have a lot of viewer reviews that said that too.
00:42:37.675 --> 00:42:39.775
<BOBBY>Yeah, I can definitely see it.
00:42:39.775 --> 00:42:51.095
<BOBBY>Because for me, I wrote in here that it's a little too vague and could have also succeeded as like a black box play because it was so contained.
00:42:51.095 --> 00:42:51.715
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:42:51.715 --> 00:42:58.475
<BOBBY>And there wasn't a whole lot of interaction or dialogue going on unless it was the inner dialogue with the main character.
00:42:58.475 --> 00:42:58.935
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:42:58.935 --> 00:43:03.355
<BOBBY>It could have easily been on a place stage and you could have seen it there.
00:43:03.355 --> 00:43:03.795
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:43:03.795 --> 00:43:06.675
<BOBBY>And it would have had the same kind of effect, at least for me.
00:43:06.675 --> 00:43:07.515
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:43:07.515 --> 00:43:09.795
<ASHLEY>I do also agree that it was vague.
00:43:09.795 --> 00:43:14.595
<ASHLEY>And I think it wasn't even that the metaphor was nuanced.
00:43:14.595 --> 00:43:16.315
<ASHLEY>It wasn't even nuanced.
00:43:16.315 --> 00:43:19.975
<ASHLEY>It was literally nothing.
00:43:19.975 --> 00:43:22.215
<ASHLEY>It's like this.
00:43:22.215 --> 00:43:22.635
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:43:22.635 --> 00:43:23.975
<ASHLEY>This is how I kind of see it.
00:43:23.975 --> 00:43:27.795
<ASHLEY>This is the art that came out of the artist.
00:43:27.795 --> 00:43:32.475
<ASHLEY>But the art doesn't explain the emotions or explain the story.
00:43:32.475 --> 00:43:38.195
<ASHLEY>You have to explain it to yourself or however you interpret that art.
00:43:38.195 --> 00:43:44.355
<ASHLEY>But when you have a story, you can't, I mean, people are expecting words.
00:43:44.355 --> 00:43:47.935
<ASHLEY>People are expecting you to kind of elaborate a little bit.
00:43:47.935 --> 00:43:52.935
<ASHLEY>Like an art piece can be interpreted any way you want because it's visual.
00:43:52.935 --> 00:43:53.615
<BOBBY>Right.
00:43:53.615 --> 00:44:02.215
<ASHLEY>But this is not only visual, it's also like, then do something that was, I don't know, I think it was just kind of lost.
00:44:02.215 --> 00:44:04.115
<ASHLEY>The dialogue was fine.
00:44:04.115 --> 00:44:06.095
<ASHLEY>There wasn't a lot of dialogue.
00:44:06.095 --> 00:44:12.575
<BOBBY>I wrote in there that it was even with that, because I agree with you where you're talking about when people get lost.
00:44:12.575 --> 00:44:15.335
<BOBBY>I don't think the dialogue really moved this story forward at all.
00:44:15.435 --> 00:44:18.095
<BOBBY>Because there was no explanation.
00:44:18.095 --> 00:44:20.875
<BOBBY>There was no rhyme or reason as to what was going on.
00:44:20.875 --> 00:44:21.395
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:44:21.395 --> 00:44:27.735
<BOBBY>And so I think that was the part that I'm like, there's so much that's left there.
00:44:27.855 --> 00:44:28.335
<BOBBY>What do they say?
00:44:28.335 --> 00:44:30.775
<BOBBY>There's so much meat left on the bone.
00:44:30.775 --> 00:44:34.055
<BOBBY>And you kind of just threw it out there for people to eat up.
00:44:34.055 --> 00:44:36.375
<BOBBY>And I don't think that you really got your point across.
00:44:36.375 --> 00:44:36.875
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:44:36.875 --> 00:44:39.795
<ASHLEY>And they were like little clues.
00:44:39.795 --> 00:44:50.475
<ASHLEY>And I'm glad that you brought that up, because when you were talking about what other people said, I was like, oh, that makes sense, because in my notes that I forgot, I took notes during the movie.
00:44:50.475 --> 00:44:53.835
<ASHLEY>Obviously, I haven't referenced them today.
00:44:53.835 --> 00:44:58.195
<BOBBY>But well, by the way, I appreciate you giving me credit, but you're the one that said other people said.
00:44:58.655 --> 00:44:59.435
<ASHLEY>You said it.
00:44:59.435 --> 00:45:01.015
<BOBBY>No, I'm pretty sure you said it.
00:45:01.015 --> 00:45:02.115
<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:45:02.115 --> 00:45:07.015
<BOBBY>That's okay, because I was saying about one thing, you're like, yeah, that's what a lot of people said.
00:45:07.015 --> 00:45:09.655
<ASHLEY>No, I meant viewers, like the audience.
00:45:09.655 --> 00:45:10.475
<BOBBY>Right.
00:45:10.475 --> 00:45:12.615
<BOBBY>Isn't that what you're referencing?
00:45:12.615 --> 00:45:15.935
<ASHLEY>No, no, I'm referencing the other like supported cast.
00:45:15.935 --> 00:45:17.055
<BOBBY>Oh, okay.
00:45:17.055 --> 00:45:18.955
<BOBBY>You're talking about the actors.
00:45:18.955 --> 00:45:20.335
<BOBBY>This is what the actors are saying?
00:45:20.335 --> 00:45:23.735
<ASHLEY>Yeah, in the writing, like what they said in the writing and dialogue.
00:45:23.735 --> 00:45:24.135
<BOBBY>Gotcha.
00:45:24.135 --> 00:45:25.095
<ASHLEY>Does that make sense?
00:45:25.095 --> 00:45:26.755
<BOBBY>Yeah, that's the reason why I got so confused.
00:45:26.875 --> 00:45:29.055
<BOBBY>I didn't understand, because you said what I said.
00:45:29.055 --> 00:45:31.755
<BOBBY>And I'm like, you said something about people.
00:45:31.755 --> 00:45:33.255
<BOBBY>And I thought, right.
00:45:33.255 --> 00:45:37.795
<BOBBY>But before this whole thing, you're like, yeah, a lot of reviews said that.
00:45:37.795 --> 00:45:40.135
<BOBBY>And so I was like, well, I didn't.
00:45:40.135 --> 00:45:42.675
<BOBBY>You said a lot of people said that.
00:45:42.675 --> 00:45:44.415
<BOBBY>You're like, you said a lot of people said that.
00:45:44.415 --> 00:45:46.295
<BOBBY>I'm like, I didn't say that at all.
00:45:46.295 --> 00:45:47.655
<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:45:47.655 --> 00:45:49.415
<ASHLEY>Well, I'm bringing up my notes.
00:45:49.415 --> 00:45:52.035
<ASHLEY>I apologize that I forgot about this earlier.
00:45:52.035 --> 00:45:54.555
<ASHLEY>But there were a couple lines that stood out to me.
00:45:55.675 --> 00:46:04.955
<ASHLEY>One was, I don't know if that's what I wrote or, oh, I wrote down clues for myself, but none of it made sense.
00:46:04.955 --> 00:46:09.735
<ASHLEY>There were random things that people said like, oh, I was just trying to be nice.
00:46:09.735 --> 00:46:16.335
<ASHLEY>I think she was talking to her mom after she let the lady in, Kathryn Hunter, and her mom was on the phone.
00:46:16.335 --> 00:46:18.695
<ASHLEY>She was like, I was just trying to be nice.
00:46:18.695 --> 00:46:18.935
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:46:18.935 --> 00:46:25.195
<ASHLEY>And then her mom said something about, oh, yeah, well, our neighbor's out ever since her husband died.
00:46:25.195 --> 00:46:28.175
<ASHLEY>And there were only women in the movie.
00:46:28.175 --> 00:46:31.255
<ASHLEY>So I was like, well, maybe that means something.
00:46:31.255 --> 00:46:40.635
<ASHLEY>And then and reading about it in behind and like all the director, writer interviews, we never mentioned anything to involve women.
00:46:40.635 --> 00:46:43.655
<ASHLEY>So why are all of these random things like that?
00:46:43.655 --> 00:46:46.935
<ASHLEY>I'm noticing none of this even meant anything.
00:46:46.935 --> 00:46:55.655
<BOBBY>I think it may be in this specific instance, it wasn't that it was necessarily supposed to be a female empowerment movie.
00:46:55.655 --> 00:46:59.595
<BOBBY>It might have just ended up happening that way, where it was, you know.
00:46:59.595 --> 00:47:00.495
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:47:00.495 --> 00:47:02.315
<BOBBY>And it could come from.
00:47:02.375 --> 00:47:05.535
<ASHLEY>It's definitely not a female empowerment movie, but go on, go on.
00:47:05.535 --> 00:47:07.515
<BOBBY>Well, you're saying that it's only females in it.
00:47:07.515 --> 00:47:12.015
<BOBBY>So that's it's like, oh, well, somebody could have made a very specific choice.
00:47:12.015 --> 00:47:12.315
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:47:12.315 --> 00:47:12.995
<BOBBY>To do that.
00:47:12.995 --> 00:47:13.335
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:47:13.335 --> 00:47:24.755
<BOBBY>But what I what I would also say is that a lot of and I'm not trying to be please, nobody take this is misogynistic or anything else like that, because this is not the way that it is.
00:47:24.755 --> 00:47:27.515
<BOBBY>But a lot more women have a lot more empathy.
00:47:27.515 --> 00:47:31.515
<BOBBY>So maybe a lot of guys would never open up the door.
00:47:31.515 --> 00:47:31.855
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:47:31.855 --> 00:47:32.995
<BOBBY>No matter what.
00:47:32.995 --> 00:47:33.535
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:47:33.535 --> 00:47:43.255
<BOBBY>And so but you have somebody who's there by themselves, a little bit vulnerable, a little bit alone in the world, which is kind of what the director talked about a lot more.
00:47:43.775 --> 00:47:51.615
<BOBBY>Maybe he felt like it would be more appropriate because women are so empathetic, especially to another woman character, right?
00:47:51.615 --> 00:47:52.955
<BOBBY>It wasn't a guy.
00:47:52.955 --> 00:47:53.575
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:47:53.575 --> 00:47:55.335
<BOBBY>Pounding on the door or anything else like that.
00:47:55.335 --> 00:47:55.875
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:47:55.875 --> 00:48:04.195
<BOBBY>Maybe it's just we recognize, we recognize evil at a distance, but we don't recognize the own evil within ourselves.
00:48:05.295 --> 00:48:10.055
<BOBBY>So if there was a guy, if there was a guy pounding on the door, you would never open it up.
00:48:10.055 --> 00:48:15.875
<BOBBY>But if there was an old lady pounding on the door, you'd be like, oh my gosh, let me get this woman in here.
00:48:15.875 --> 00:48:16.335
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:48:16.335 --> 00:48:18.395
<BOBBY>But they're both still evil.
00:48:18.395 --> 00:48:21.835
<BOBBY>You just see evil in one way, but you don't see it in the other.
00:48:21.835 --> 00:48:23.155
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
00:48:23.155 --> 00:48:25.535
<BOBBY>And I don't know, obviously he never said that.
00:48:25.535 --> 00:48:27.015
<ASHLEY>No, he never said it.
00:48:27.015 --> 00:48:31.455
<BOBBY>And you're the only person that I've seen online or anybody else that noticed that.
00:48:31.555 --> 00:48:33.335
<BOBBY>So mad props to you for being-
00:48:33.335 --> 00:48:34.595
<ASHLEY>I have no idea why.
00:48:35.055 --> 00:48:39.295
<ASHLEY>I didn't read this anywhere, but in my notes, I was like, what is going on?
00:48:39.295 --> 00:48:44.975
<ASHLEY>Okay, this girl's trying to be nice and none of that had anything to do with the movie at all.
00:48:44.975 --> 00:48:48.055
<BOBBY>Well, it did because you saw the movie through a different lens.
00:48:48.055 --> 00:48:52.095
<BOBBY>I wish that's the reason why in the writing and dialogue we got into it.
00:48:52.095 --> 00:48:54.795
<BOBBY>I wish they would have not left so much.
00:48:54.795 --> 00:48:59.995
<BOBBY>It's okay to leave a little bit to the audience to understand what's going on.
00:48:59.995 --> 00:49:00.335
<BOBBY>Right?
00:49:00.615 --> 00:49:03.475
<BOBBY>It's okay to throw a little bit out there.
00:49:03.515 --> 00:49:04.375
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:49:04.375 --> 00:49:07.615
<BOBBY>But to make a piece of art to your...
00:49:07.615 --> 00:49:10.475
<BOBBY>Because I think that was a perfect analogy.
00:49:10.475 --> 00:49:17.735
<BOBBY>To make a piece of art that is completely open to interpretation, I don't know how you sell that.
00:49:17.735 --> 00:49:23.795
<BOBBY>And I think that that's the reason why, you know, one of the movie facts said it moved opening dates.
00:49:23.795 --> 00:49:26.855
<BOBBY>And that's the reason why they just sent it to streaming.
00:49:26.855 --> 00:49:28.415
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:49:28.415 --> 00:49:35.895
<BOBBY>Because I don't know if any of the movie studios could get behind it enough to release it in theaters.
00:49:35.895 --> 00:49:42.135
<ASHLEY>It's like it needed more of a, I mean, the whole movie needed more of a backstory.
00:49:42.135 --> 00:49:42.835
<BOBBY>I agree.
00:49:42.835 --> 00:49:46.415
<ASHLEY>It's not even like the execution needed more of a backstory.
00:49:46.415 --> 00:49:52.435
<ASHLEY>I mean, I feel like he needed something even more just to create it.
00:49:52.435 --> 00:49:53.335
<BOBBY>Right.
00:49:53.335 --> 00:49:55.875
<BOBBY>Because you never know where that woman came from.
00:49:55.875 --> 00:49:56.095
<BOBBY>Right.
00:49:56.095 --> 00:49:57.335
<BOBBY>And dropped off the box.
00:49:57.375 --> 00:49:58.035
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:49:58.035 --> 00:50:00.875
<BOBBY>And then all these other things that were going on.
00:50:00.875 --> 00:50:02.875
<BOBBY>And this is all stuff that you guys see in the preview.
00:50:02.875 --> 00:50:05.615
<BOBBY>So we're not spoiling anything with that.
00:50:05.615 --> 00:50:09.295
<BOBBY>But it just, there was so much that was out there.
00:50:09.295 --> 00:50:10.895
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:50:10.895 --> 00:50:11.715
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:50:11.715 --> 00:50:16.975
<ASHLEY>So, oh, for direction, I just, I mean, like everything else.
00:50:16.975 --> 00:50:18.575
<BOBBY>It's direction and visuals now.
00:50:18.575 --> 00:50:19.215
<ASHLEY>Oh, direction.
00:50:19.375 --> 00:50:20.355
<ASHLEY>Oh, thank God.
00:50:20.355 --> 00:50:20.795
<ASHLEY>Thank God.
00:50:21.275 --> 00:50:22.795
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:50:22.795 --> 00:50:33.035
<ASHLEY>For direction and visuals, because the dialogue and the story didn't have a whole lot of answers for the audience.
00:50:33.035 --> 00:50:34.695
<BOBBY>Well, the guy who wrote it also directed it.
00:50:34.695 --> 00:50:35.655
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:50:35.655 --> 00:50:44.795
<ASHLEY>So I figured since he didn't put it in the writing or the story, maybe he could have used visual representations for the metaphors, but he didn't.
00:50:44.795 --> 00:50:45.255
<BOBBY>No.
00:50:45.255 --> 00:50:45.835
<ASHLEY>No.
00:50:45.835 --> 00:50:47.935
<ASHLEY>So I was sad.
00:50:47.935 --> 00:50:48.955
<ASHLEY>I didn't like that.
00:50:49.295 --> 00:50:51.515
<ASHLEY>I mean, the visuals were fine.
00:50:51.515 --> 00:50:51.955
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:50:51.955 --> 00:51:04.815
<ASHLEY>I think he could have done a better job with the visual representation of a metaphor, possibly, to help the audience better understand the point of the story.
00:51:04.815 --> 00:51:05.115
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:51:05.115 --> 00:51:12.835
<BOBBY>Because what you were saying was you were seeing a lot of visual clues, but they were never really actually mentioned later on.
00:51:12.975 --> 00:51:18.035
<BOBBY>In any of the interviews, he didn't say, oh, I intentionally meant to do that.
00:51:18.035 --> 00:51:22.715
<ASHLEY>No, I think I read like three or four different interviews on different websites.
00:51:22.715 --> 00:51:23.415
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:51:23.415 --> 00:51:26.995
<ASHLEY>They had great visuals in the movie, but nothing was connected to anything.
00:51:26.995 --> 00:51:27.375
<BOBBY>Right.
00:51:27.375 --> 00:51:29.855
<ASHLEY>It's like, oh, wow, that's a really cool symbol.
00:51:29.855 --> 00:51:35.815
<ASHLEY>Like, it must be some kind of symbolism, and then it was never referenced again.
00:51:35.815 --> 00:51:36.235
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:51:36.235 --> 00:51:38.075
<ASHLEY>And none of them were connected.
00:51:38.075 --> 00:51:39.935
<BOBBY>No, I completely agree with you.
00:51:40.315 --> 00:51:48.135
<BOBBY>I said that there really wasn't a whole lot of direction to give because there wasn't a whole lot for the actors to interact with.
00:51:48.135 --> 00:51:48.715
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:51:48.715 --> 00:51:51.875
<BOBBY>It was more of the dialogue and those kinds of things.
00:51:51.875 --> 00:52:07.955
<BOBBY>So I was like, I don't really know what I would have, if we were in our old way that we used to do things, I would probably give them the direction of one, because I don't know what the direction was other than dark and foreboding and do that.
00:52:08.115 --> 00:52:18.035
<BOBBY>And additionally, with the visuals, much like we've seen in the past couple of years, we've been transitioning into darkness, so very dark.
00:52:18.035 --> 00:52:23.595
<BOBBY>The jump scares or the things that were in there that you can see in the previews, fine.
00:52:23.595 --> 00:52:27.035
<BOBBY>But I didn't really take anything away from it visually.
00:52:27.035 --> 00:52:30.835
<BOBBY>It wasn't visually stunning or anything else like that.
00:52:30.835 --> 00:52:34.015
<BOBBY>I know that there were some practical effects that looked pretty nice.
00:52:34.015 --> 00:52:40.435
<BOBBY>And you mentioned the young lady that won a couple of awards or has done some movies for the makeup effects and the effects.
00:52:40.435 --> 00:52:41.335
<ASHLEY>Oh, the effects artist.
00:52:41.335 --> 00:52:45.075
<ASHLEY>Yeah, she's worked on a couple other prominent films and TV shows.
00:52:45.075 --> 00:52:54.355
<BOBBY>So in those scenes where it gets its R rating from, where it says bloody, I can definitely see that.
00:52:54.355 --> 00:52:59.495
<BOBBY>But outside of that, it was just you were staring at a screen for quite some time.
00:52:59.495 --> 00:53:02.995
<BOBBY>I don't know if it really took it over the top for me at least.
00:53:03.115 --> 00:53:13.875
<ASHLEY>Well, like some of the movies that we've watched recently or I mean ever, but it's like they tried so hard to get it to be an hour and 38 minutes.
00:53:13.875 --> 00:53:18.795
<ASHLEY>But there were a lot of scenes that were like, okay, come on, come on, come on, come on.
00:53:18.795 --> 00:53:19.155
<BOBBY>Right.
00:53:19.155 --> 00:53:23.855
<ASHLEY>Like I thought some of them, because she was going on an interview or whatever.
00:53:23.855 --> 00:53:26.815
<ASHLEY>She was anyway, she was in her room, she was changing.
00:53:26.815 --> 00:53:28.375
<ASHLEY>I don't think that gives anything away.
00:53:28.375 --> 00:53:29.735
<BOBBY>I don't think so.
00:53:29.735 --> 00:53:37.655
<ASHLEY>But we didn't need to see her try on every outfit and look at it, because if there were any jump scares, it was like after the scene.
00:53:37.655 --> 00:53:38.075
<BOBBY>Right.
00:53:38.075 --> 00:53:49.215
<ASHLEY>It wasn't, I mean, there were a couple jump scares throughout, but not like not enough to to warrant the slow scenes, in quotes, to be as long as they were.
00:53:49.215 --> 00:53:50.755
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:53:50.755 --> 00:53:51.535
<BOBBY>No, I agree.
00:53:51.535 --> 00:54:01.215
<BOBBY>I think some of these things, some of these movies that are out there today, like what we've been talking about, maybe they should just be an hour, a series or something like that.
00:54:01.655 --> 00:54:03.775
<BOBBY>Like a collection of stories.
00:54:03.775 --> 00:54:05.735
<BOBBY>Maybe that would make it a little bit better.
00:54:05.735 --> 00:54:06.015
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:54:06.015 --> 00:54:11.375
<BOBBY>Because stretching out those scenes, you know, especially you'll see this in the previews.
00:54:11.375 --> 00:54:13.675
<BOBBY>She's standing in the street looking around.
00:54:13.675 --> 00:54:14.915
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:54:14.915 --> 00:54:16.155
<BOBBY>I don't know if you need to do that.
00:54:16.155 --> 00:54:19.455
<BOBBY>I don't know if you need to get ready for two or three minutes.
00:54:19.455 --> 00:54:20.975
<BOBBY>I mean, those things add up.
00:54:20.975 --> 00:54:22.375
<ASHLEY>Yeah, because we never see the next day.
00:54:22.375 --> 00:54:24.935
<ASHLEY>So we're never going to see her use these outfits.
00:54:24.935 --> 00:54:25.315
<BOBBY>Right.
00:54:25.315 --> 00:54:26.755
<ASHLEY>Like, what's the point?
00:54:26.755 --> 00:54:27.515
<BOBBY>Right.
00:54:27.515 --> 00:54:29.575
<BOBBY>No, I hear you completely.
00:54:29.775 --> 00:54:40.795
<ASHLEY>And to be completely honest, I think if each scene were shorter and the movie was, say, 58 minutes, you shave, what, 30 minutes off of it.
00:54:40.795 --> 00:54:41.435
<BOBBY>Right.
00:54:41.435 --> 00:54:42.255
<ASHLEY>No, that'd be 100.
00:54:42.255 --> 00:54:43.835
<ASHLEY>No, that'd be 38.
00:54:43.835 --> 00:54:44.555
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:54:44.555 --> 00:54:46.015
<BOBBY>No, it would be an hour.
00:54:46.015 --> 00:54:47.415
<ASHLEY>Yeah, let's just say it's an hour.
00:54:47.415 --> 00:54:48.155
<BOBBY>Right.
00:54:48.155 --> 00:54:58.775
<ASHLEY>If the movie was an hour and all of those fluff scenes, I guess, got shortened, I think the audience would have had a much better impression of the movie.
00:54:59.095 --> 00:55:00.455
<BOBBY>Not trying to throw this out there.
00:55:00.455 --> 00:55:06.815
<BOBBY>We don't want to jam it down your throats, but if this was a Black Mirror episode, I think it would have been much more well executed.
00:55:06.815 --> 00:55:07.695
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:55:07.695 --> 00:55:11.975
<BOBBY>And I think it would have actually been like, oh, wow, there's a lot of stuff going on in here.
00:55:11.975 --> 00:55:20.395
<ASHLEY>Yeah, because if things were more fast paced, some of the scenes weren't so slow and they still didn't get to the point like how it was.
00:55:20.395 --> 00:55:23.415
<ASHLEY>If the story was exactly the same, the writing was exactly the same.
00:55:23.415 --> 00:55:24.615
<ASHLEY>It was just sped up.
00:55:24.615 --> 00:55:25.095
<BOBBY>Right.
00:55:25.095 --> 00:55:32.815
<ASHLEY>I don't think it would really get bad reviews with Black Mirror either because even if it had no point, it meant for you to think about it.
00:55:32.815 --> 00:55:35.755
<BOBBY>Well, and it would have cut out exactly to what you're saying.
00:55:35.755 --> 00:55:37.615
<BOBBY>It would have cut out some of those fluff scenes.
00:55:37.615 --> 00:55:38.135
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:55:38.135 --> 00:55:40.775
<BOBBY>Some of those scenes for people to take in.
00:55:40.775 --> 00:55:55.055
<BOBBY>I mean, it's encouraging you to take your own interpretation with it and how life works in certain ways, but it would have cut down on that fluff and I think it probably would have been a little bit more well received, which leads me into the overall.
00:55:55.055 --> 00:55:55.255
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:56:02.547 --> 00:56:04.167
<BOBBY>I gave it a 2.8.
00:56:04.167 --> 00:56:05.647
<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
00:56:05.647 --> 00:56:12.467
<BOBBY>And I said, I would never watch it again, because I think it was too smart for its own good.
00:56:12.467 --> 00:56:27.607
<BOBBY>Exactly what we were just talking about, which I thought was a cool transition into what I thought about the movie, which was you can't give the audience that much creativity in their own mind, because then it's just like reading a book.
00:56:27.607 --> 00:56:32.807
<BOBBY>I mean, you could have easily read that book and come away with the same kind of feeling.
00:56:32.807 --> 00:56:33.227
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:56:33.227 --> 00:56:36.447
<BOBBY>And I don't think that's what the director was going for.
00:56:36.447 --> 00:56:38.467
<BOBBY>I think there was something more there.
00:56:38.467 --> 00:56:41.527
<BOBBY>I just wish that he had done a little bit better job doing that.
00:56:41.527 --> 00:56:46.227
<BOBBY>I said, if you have Paramount Plus, watch it once.
00:56:46.227 --> 00:56:50.347
<BOBBY>If you don't, hopefully none of these companies get mad at us.
00:56:50.347 --> 00:56:51.847
<BOBBY>I wouldn't pay for it.
00:56:51.847 --> 00:56:53.707
<ASHLEY>I would not pay for it.
00:56:53.767 --> 00:57:01.507
<ASHLEY>If you have Paramount Plus, watch it because then you can see what we're talking about and you can listen to the extended version.
00:57:01.507 --> 00:57:07.227
<ASHLEY>We can and you can see how our ideas might relate to some of yours based on what happens in the movie.
00:57:07.227 --> 00:57:07.947
<BOBBY>Right.
00:57:07.947 --> 00:57:14.787
<ASHLEY>I said I would give it a 2.95 out of 5 for watchability.
00:57:14.787 --> 00:57:15.667
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:57:15.667 --> 00:57:21.747
<ASHLEY>But I would give it a 4 out of 5 for giving you the feeling of what it's like to have a mental illness.
00:57:27.027 --> 00:57:27.727
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:57:27.727 --> 00:57:29.147
<ASHLEY>Does that kind of make sense?
00:57:29.147 --> 00:57:30.767
<BOBBY>I mean, why are you saying that?
00:57:30.767 --> 00:57:31.187
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:57:31.187 --> 00:57:36.707
<BOBBY>So now you're going to have to be a little bit vulnerable with our audience.
00:57:36.707 --> 00:57:37.707
<ASHLEY>Oh, man.
00:57:37.707 --> 00:57:39.147
<ASHLEY>Ashley being vulnerable.
00:57:39.147 --> 00:57:40.007
<ASHLEY>Come on now.
00:57:40.007 --> 00:57:40.707
<ASHLEY>I know.
00:57:40.707 --> 00:57:41.027
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:57:41.027 --> 00:57:45.787
<ASHLEY>So I'm going to read you what I wrote because I like just wrote my own whatever.
00:57:45.787 --> 00:57:46.027
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:57:47.027 --> 00:57:51.947
<ASHLEY>I said, ultimately, I love the uncomfortability of the audience experience.
00:57:53.027 --> 00:57:57.647
<ASHLEY>It really gives the audience an idea of what living with a mental illness feels like.
00:57:57.647 --> 00:58:00.107
<ASHLEY>However, I didn't like the execution.
00:58:00.107 --> 00:58:01.287
<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
00:58:01.287 --> 00:58:12.987
<ASHLEY>It was slow and there were a lot of open-ended scenarios and things that weren't explained, which I can relate to with a mental illness because there aren't explanations to the things you're feeling.
00:58:14.007 --> 00:58:14.327
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:58:14.327 --> 00:58:15.327
<BOBBY>And what do you mean by that?
00:58:17.067 --> 00:58:19.867
<ASHLEY>Specifically, I have bipolar disorder.
00:58:19.867 --> 00:58:27.167
<ASHLEY>So a lot of times, I'll feel like out of control just in one moment.
00:58:27.167 --> 00:58:29.607
<ASHLEY>And it's completely unexplained.
00:58:29.607 --> 00:58:31.667
<ASHLEY>I have no idea why I feel this way.
00:58:31.667 --> 00:58:33.007
<ASHLEY>There's no catalyst.
00:58:33.007 --> 00:58:34.687
<ASHLEY>It feels like there's no end in sight.
00:58:34.687 --> 00:58:36.547
<ASHLEY>You have no idea why it's here.
00:58:36.547 --> 00:58:38.507
<ASHLEY>You have no idea what's going on.
00:58:38.507 --> 00:58:40.367
<ASHLEY>And you're completely confused.
00:58:40.367 --> 00:58:43.327
<ASHLEY>And I feel like this movie did a good job.
00:58:44.487 --> 00:58:47.447
<ASHLEY>I can only speak on the things that I have.
00:58:47.447 --> 00:58:50.747
<ASHLEY>So like bipolar is one thing that I'm diagnosed with.
00:58:50.747 --> 00:58:53.307
<ASHLEY>So I can speak on that, but I can't speak on different...
00:58:53.307 --> 00:58:54.527
<BOBBY>Bipolar one or two?
00:58:54.527 --> 00:58:55.707
<ASHLEY>Bipolar two.
00:58:55.707 --> 00:58:56.207
<BOBBY>I just...
00:58:56.207 --> 00:58:57.567
<BOBBY>People are going to...
00:58:57.567 --> 00:58:59.327
<BOBBY>Because you said diagnosed with.
00:58:59.327 --> 00:59:00.567
<ASHLEY>Oh, yes.
00:59:00.567 --> 00:59:10.027
<ASHLEY>So just in case anyone needs to know, ADHD, anxiety, OCD, bipolar, you know, the whole gambit.
00:59:10.027 --> 00:59:11.287
<ASHLEY>But anyway, today...
00:59:11.827 --> 00:59:13.527
<BOBBY>Well, that's looking at you, huh?
00:59:13.527 --> 00:59:15.187
<ASHLEY>The one thing.
00:59:15.187 --> 00:59:16.087
<ASHLEY>One thing.
00:59:16.087 --> 00:59:17.487
<ASHLEY>Oh, just call me the queen.
00:59:17.487 --> 00:59:20.747
<BOBBY>Sorry, I was trying to do my best gambit impression from Deadpool.
00:59:20.747 --> 00:59:21.767
<ASHLEY>Oh, I don't know what that is.
00:59:21.767 --> 00:59:22.247
<BOBBY>Yes, you do.
00:59:22.247 --> 00:59:22.867
<BOBBY>You saw it.
00:59:22.867 --> 00:59:26.667
<BOBBY>Yeah, it was Channing Tatum's character in Deadpool.
00:59:26.667 --> 00:59:27.827
<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, oh, oh!
00:59:27.987 --> 00:59:29.707
<BOBBY>Oh, you're looking at Guzmul Shari.
00:59:29.707 --> 00:59:30.547
<BOBBY>Look at this.
00:59:30.547 --> 00:59:30.927
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:59:30.927 --> 00:59:32.887
<v SPEAKER_4>You got the whole gambit, huh?
00:59:34.947 --> 00:59:36.927
<ASHLEY>That is so funny.
00:59:36.927 --> 00:59:40.087
<ASHLEY>Oh, man, his accent was so out of control in that movie.
00:59:40.707 --> 00:59:43.187
<BOBBY>But he's from Louisiana.
00:59:43.187 --> 00:59:44.327
<ASHLEY>It was so interesting.
00:59:44.327 --> 00:59:45.367
<BOBBY>He's from Louisiana.
00:59:45.367 --> 00:59:49.447
<BOBBY>He said that's, you know, deep, deep Louisiana with the Creole people.
00:59:49.447 --> 00:59:51.667
<BOBBY>Sometimes that's what it is.
00:59:51.667 --> 01:00:00.287
<ASHLEY>We got Gambit and then you got the Queen's Gambit, which was also the girl in Furiosa, which is also Mad Max, which is also kind of like Deadpool Wolverine.
01:00:00.287 --> 01:00:02.427
<BOBBY>Very, very true.
01:00:02.427 --> 01:00:03.507
<BOBBY>The five, what is it?
01:00:04.027 --> 01:00:05.827
<ASHLEY>Anna Taylor Joy or whatever her name is.
01:00:05.827 --> 01:00:10.587
<BOBBY>Yeah, the seven separations of Kevin Bacon, but now it's the seven separations of Deadpool.
01:00:10.587 --> 01:00:12.187
<ASHLEY>Or Gambit.
01:00:12.187 --> 01:00:12.767
<BOBBY>Or Ga-
01:00:12.767 --> 01:00:15.227
<BOBBY>Well, not Gambit specifically, but yeah.
01:00:15.227 --> 01:00:16.107
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
01:00:16.107 --> 01:00:16.487
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:00:16.487 --> 01:00:17.607
<ASHLEY>I'm sorry.
01:00:17.607 --> 01:00:18.067
<BOBBY>Why?
01:00:18.067 --> 01:00:18.607
<ASHLEY>I don't know.
01:00:18.627 --> 01:00:19.527
<BOBBY>That's okay.
01:00:19.527 --> 01:00:43.687
<ASHLEY>Based on what she was feeling or what she was experiencing, Pauly, the main character Dakota Fanning, experiencing in this movie, it reminded me of how and I mean, I do not, I am not diagnosed with schizophrenia, but it reminded me of like something someone would feel in schizophrenia with potential like audio and visual hallucinations and paranoia.
01:00:43.687 --> 01:00:44.887
<BOBBY>It's kind of okay.
01:00:45.247 --> 01:00:52.147
<BOBBY>They've done that in a couple of different movies, but that was more of it wasn't themselves.
01:00:52.147 --> 01:00:55.047
<BOBBY>It was themselves interacting with another character.
01:00:55.047 --> 01:00:57.507
<BOBBY>Is that more what you're referencing?
01:00:57.507 --> 01:01:09.007
<BOBBY>Because like so in a beautiful mind, they know that that person has, I guess what you wouldn't necessarily define as schizophrenia, but people think it's that.
01:01:09.007 --> 01:01:11.367
<ASHLEY>But dissociative identity disorder.
01:01:11.367 --> 01:01:12.907
<BOBBY>Are they two separate things?
01:01:12.907 --> 01:01:13.647
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:01:13.647 --> 01:01:18.347
<ASHLEY>Dissociative identity disorder is what used to be called multiple personality disorder.
01:01:18.347 --> 01:01:19.827
<ASHLEY>So like the guy from Split.
01:01:19.827 --> 01:01:21.747
<BOBBY>Right.
01:01:21.747 --> 01:01:23.047
<ASHLEY>If you have seen it, yes.
01:01:23.047 --> 01:01:25.507
<ASHLEY>If you haven't, no.
01:01:25.507 --> 01:01:28.687
<BOBBY>Well, they talk about it quite a bit throughout the movie.
01:01:28.787 --> 01:01:30.527
<ASHLEY>Well, I didn't know until the end.
01:01:30.527 --> 01:01:31.947
<ASHLEY>It's like Sixth Sense.
01:01:31.947 --> 01:01:33.247
<BOBBY>Oh, shoot.
01:01:33.247 --> 01:01:35.167
<BOBBY>OK, so you'll have to bleep that out.
01:01:35.167 --> 01:01:35.627
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:01:35.627 --> 01:01:35.847
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:01:35.847 --> 01:01:36.627
<BOBBY>I mean, that makes sense.
01:01:36.627 --> 01:01:48.147
<BOBBY>So you're in the preview when you're seeing it, you're thinking like, oh, maybe this is a schizophrenic breakdown or like a breakdown from society.
01:01:48.147 --> 01:01:48.487
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:01:48.487 --> 01:01:55.067
<ASHLEY>And the part that specifically made me feel that way is when she was on the phone with her dad.
01:01:55.067 --> 01:01:59.407
<ASHLEY>He says, oh, yeah, remember when you used to ask me if there were monsters under your bed?
01:01:59.407 --> 01:02:00.787
<ASHLEY>There were never any there.
01:02:00.787 --> 01:02:02.767
<ASHLEY>It was kind of like very dismissive.
01:02:02.767 --> 01:02:03.307
<BOBBY>Right.
01:02:03.307 --> 01:02:08.287
<ASHLEY>And it made me feel like he thought she was paranoid or maybe she felt like she was being paranoid.
01:02:08.387 --> 01:02:09.247
<ASHLEY>She's like, you're right.
01:02:09.247 --> 01:02:10.507
<ASHLEY>There wasn't anything there.
01:02:10.507 --> 01:02:12.067
<ASHLEY>But I still felt that way.
01:02:12.067 --> 01:02:12.767
<BOBBY>Sure.
01:02:12.767 --> 01:02:18.027
<ASHLEY>And she was getting the phone calls and I'm like, OK, maybe those are audio hallucinations.
01:02:18.027 --> 01:02:22.787
<BOBBY>So you ranked it at 2.95 for the watchability of the movie.
01:02:22.827 --> 01:02:26.327
<BOBBY>But you're saying, like, if somebody who struggles with it.
01:02:26.327 --> 01:02:27.987
<ASHLEY>I mean, 2.95, that's pretty high.
01:02:27.987 --> 01:02:29.427
<ASHLEY>Maybe 2.82.
01:02:29.427 --> 01:02:30.547
<BOBBY>I don't listen.
01:02:30.547 --> 01:02:31.707
<BOBBY>You know, I need to change that.
01:02:31.707 --> 01:02:41.147
<BOBBY>But you were saying that maybe this and especially with what Bryan wrote, the director wrote about his panic attacks and stuff.
01:02:41.147 --> 01:02:46.647
<BOBBY>Maybe it's a good watchability movie for people to see what it might be for someone to struggle with.
01:02:46.867 --> 01:02:49.087
<BOBBY>A bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.
01:02:49.567 --> 01:02:53.727
<ASHLEY>Yeah, or like a psychotic episode or depression.
01:02:53.727 --> 01:03:04.647
<ASHLEY>I wrote additionally, unlike a physical ailment, a lot of people are dismissive to people who are struggling with mental illness and overlook how people are feeling because they just don't understand it.
01:03:04.647 --> 01:03:04.827
<BOBBY>Right.
01:03:04.827 --> 01:03:08.147
<BOBBY>Because it's not, you're not experiencing on the outside.
01:03:08.147 --> 01:03:08.547
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:03:08.547 --> 01:03:16.527
<ASHLEY>And it's not like, I mean, I hope that people aren't dismissing it because they don't think it exists.
01:03:16.687 --> 01:03:19.967
<ASHLEY>I hope it's because they just don't understand it.
01:03:19.967 --> 01:03:23.947
<BOBBY>Well, I think there's a two-fold thought process behind that, right?
01:03:23.947 --> 01:03:27.447
<BOBBY>Number one is, I think a lot of people don't understand it.
01:03:27.447 --> 01:03:29.467
<BOBBY>I didn't understand it before we were married.
01:03:29.467 --> 01:03:35.527
<BOBBY>And then as I got to know you more and we walked through those things, it kind of made a little bit more sense.
01:03:35.527 --> 01:03:40.047
<ASHLEY>And I didn't understand it my entire life because I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30.
01:03:40.047 --> 01:03:41.427
<BOBBY>Right.
01:03:41.427 --> 01:03:46.627
<BOBBY>But anytime that you see it in a movie, you automatically think like, oh, this person's bipolar.
01:03:46.627 --> 01:03:47.487
<BOBBY>They're insane.
01:03:47.687 --> 01:03:48.787
<BOBBY>Like all the time.
01:03:48.787 --> 01:03:49.047
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:03:49.047 --> 01:03:50.087
<BOBBY>They say they're bipolar.
01:03:50.087 --> 01:03:54.847
<BOBBY>That means at one moment they're going to be singing, in the next moment they're going to be beating their cat.
01:03:54.847 --> 01:03:55.587
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:03:55.587 --> 01:03:58.267
<BOBBY>Which that's not the way that it actually works.
01:03:58.707 --> 01:04:00.307
<BOBBY>So a misunderstanding.
01:04:00.307 --> 01:04:15.687
<BOBBY>And then additionally, I think what we were just talking about is that there's been people that have kind of abused those kinds of diagnoses and have utilized it to get away with things.
01:04:15.687 --> 01:04:22.507
<BOBBY>And so society then kind of moves backwards on things because they're afraid, they're saying, oh, it's all hoax.
01:04:22.507 --> 01:04:23.787
<BOBBY>It's all a joke.
01:04:23.787 --> 01:04:24.667
<BOBBY>You can work through it.
01:04:24.667 --> 01:04:25.767
<BOBBY>Just rub some dirt on it.
01:04:25.767 --> 01:04:27.327
<BOBBY>Throw some aspirin on it.
01:04:27.667 --> 01:04:29.367
<BOBBY>You're good.
01:04:29.367 --> 01:04:57.007
<BOBBY>But really when you see how debilitating it is for some people that are out there, it's like, wow, you know, to your point, if you're watching this through that lens, to see somebody who feels like they're completely alone and then goes out into the street, which you can see in the preview, so this isn't a spoiler, goes out in the street, starts yelling in the street, none of the lights come on because they feel so locked.
01:04:57.007 --> 01:05:02.947
<BOBBY>I mean, that's a huge, huge feeling of emptiness and aloneness.
01:05:03.227 --> 01:05:03.887
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:05:03.887 --> 01:05:09.927
<BOBBY>That could, you know, potentially lead someone or spiral someone down a path that they don't really want to go down.
01:05:09.927 --> 01:05:11.907
<ASHLEY>I agree.
01:05:11.907 --> 01:05:18.667
<ASHLEY>So at the end, I said if it was about mental illness, which I wrote this before I read the writer-director interviews.
01:05:18.667 --> 01:05:21.727
<ASHLEY>So at this point, I didn't even know if it was about mental illness or not.
01:05:21.727 --> 01:05:24.707
<ASHLEY>Thank God, at least it was at some part.
01:05:24.707 --> 01:05:25.747
<BOBBY>It was inspired by it.
01:05:25.747 --> 01:05:26.627
<ASHLEY>Inspired by it.
01:05:26.627 --> 01:05:27.507
<ASHLEY>Thank goodness.
01:05:27.507 --> 01:05:35.887
<ASHLEY>Because I said if this was about mental illness, I think I would have liked if there were a message in it about how mental illness feels.
01:05:35.887 --> 01:05:44.807
<ASHLEY>Because for the average viewer, it was kind of like a mind and the lack of clarity doesn't really help with the mental health aspect of it.
01:05:44.807 --> 01:05:48.987
<ASHLEY>Because I don't think that average viewer would read that far into it.
01:05:48.987 --> 01:05:51.947
<ASHLEY>Like they wouldn't do the research that we're doing, you know?
01:05:51.947 --> 01:05:52.307
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:05:52.307 --> 01:06:04.947
<BOBBY>That's been a constant thing that when I go to work and talk to any of my coworkers about some of the movies that they've seen, because we do the deep dives, I think one of the biggest ones that I was able to help them out with was Cinders.
01:06:04.947 --> 01:06:06.047
<ASHLEY>Oh, yeah.
01:06:06.047 --> 01:06:09.767
<BOBBY>And it's not that I know anything or you know anything about that.
01:06:09.767 --> 01:06:17.327
<BOBBY>It's just sometimes we don't want to, you know, we just want to be removed from our own reality for a couple of hours.
01:06:17.327 --> 01:06:17.967
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:06:17.967 --> 01:06:27.487
<BOBBY>So I'm not going to do the deep dive in going to see Captain America, Civil War, Winter Soldier.
01:06:27.487 --> 01:06:31.987
<BOBBY>You know, I just want to go there and watch some bad guys get beat up.
01:06:31.987 --> 01:06:32.767
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:06:32.767 --> 01:06:42.267
<BOBBY>But sometimes, you know, one of the best things that we can do is learn about what the thought process was behind something because it helps you understand the product.
01:06:42.267 --> 01:06:52.347
<BOBBY>And to your point, what you said very earlier to bring it full circle, the art that's out there, because if you hear from the artist, it helps you understand what the vision was.
01:06:52.887 --> 01:06:53.227
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:06:53.227 --> 01:06:57.527
<ASHLEY>And I think with his vision, it was inspired by mental health.
01:06:57.527 --> 01:07:04.847
<ASHLEY>But if you were trying to make a statement about mental health, then you should have put something in the movie that said it.
01:07:04.847 --> 01:07:06.507
<ASHLEY>Otherwise, it doesn't help anyone.
01:07:06.507 --> 01:07:07.907
<ASHLEY>It doesn't help remove the stigma.
01:07:07.907 --> 01:07:10.187
<ASHLEY>It doesn't help with anything if no one knows what it's about.
01:07:17.595 --> 01:07:19.395
<BOBBY>Well, excellent job.
01:07:19.395 --> 01:07:26.615
<BOBBY>Another movie reviewed, but you know before we leave, we gotta see what's hot from the interwebs.
01:07:26.615 --> 01:07:28.195
<ASHLEY>Yes, exactly.
01:07:29.455 --> 01:07:30.455
<BOBBY>Do you wanna go first?
01:07:30.455 --> 01:07:34.675
<BOBBY>You want me to go first, cause I have two one stars and two five stars.
01:07:34.675 --> 01:07:43.555
<ASHLEY>Okay, I have several that are very short, and I'm just gonna read them all very fast.
01:07:43.555 --> 01:07:45.615
<BOBBY>You're just gonna go right from the gates?
01:07:45.615 --> 01:07:46.235
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:07:46.235 --> 01:07:46.455
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:07:46.775 --> 01:07:53.995
<ASHLEY>So, I'll just do a brief pause in between each one, but then I'm just gonna go on to the next, cause then they're all like one star.
01:07:53.995 --> 01:07:55.235
<BOBBY>You're doing all one stars?
01:07:55.675 --> 01:07:57.995
<ASHLEY>Just for now, just for this one part.
01:07:57.995 --> 01:07:58.695
<BOBBY>Here we go.
01:07:58.695 --> 01:08:00.475
<ASHLEY>Okay, this is gonna be long.
01:08:00.475 --> 01:08:03.575
<ASHLEY>I'm not going to read, oh, they don't have titles, cause I got them on Google.
01:08:03.575 --> 01:08:04.095
<BOBBY>Fantastic.
01:08:04.095 --> 01:08:05.435
<ASHLEY>Oh, wait, what does yours start with?
01:08:05.435 --> 01:08:07.295
<ASHLEY>I shouldn't say what yours is.
01:08:07.295 --> 01:08:09.095
<BOBBY>You have no idea what mine are.
01:08:09.095 --> 01:08:09.635
<ASHLEY>I don't?
01:08:09.635 --> 01:08:10.455
<BOBBY>No.
01:08:10.455 --> 01:08:14.655
<ASHLEY>Okay, I'm starting with one star reviews now.
01:08:15.995 --> 01:08:24.875
<ASHLEY>One, I watched 35 minutes and 21 seconds of it, slow, boring, no foreseeable plot, rambling.
01:08:24.875 --> 01:08:28.735
<ASHLEY>Dakota Fanning is an excellent actor and even she couldn't make it work.
01:08:30.115 --> 01:08:36.915
<ASHLEY>Two, so boring, not scary at all.
01:08:36.915 --> 01:08:39.335
<ASHLEY>There's no point to it and it drags.
01:08:39.335 --> 01:08:45.375
<ASHLEY>There isn't even an explanation regarding the box, and that's because the whole movie is focused around the box.
01:08:45.375 --> 01:08:47.775
<ASHLEY>I'd give zero stars if I could.
01:08:47.775 --> 01:08:49.655
<BOBBY>Can I just, just as a real quick one?
01:08:49.655 --> 01:08:50.055
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:08:50.055 --> 01:08:53.835
<BOBBY>They missed a very cool one they could have done.
01:08:54.095 --> 01:08:55.175
<BOBBY>The end of Seven.
01:08:55.175 --> 01:08:56.335
<BOBBY>What's in the box?
01:08:56.335 --> 01:08:58.235
<v SPEAKER_3>What's in the box?
01:08:58.235 --> 01:09:00.455
<BOBBY>They could have easily done that because that's from Seven.
01:09:00.455 --> 01:09:01.455
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh, you're right.
01:09:01.455 --> 01:09:02.275
<ASHLEY>They didn't even say it.
01:09:02.275 --> 01:09:04.855
<BOBBY>Yeah, because they said the whole movie is about the box.
01:09:04.855 --> 01:09:05.995
<BOBBY>I'm like, oh.
01:09:05.995 --> 01:09:07.275
<ASHLEY>Did you notice what?
01:09:07.275 --> 01:09:08.515
<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry I interrupted you.
01:09:09.155 --> 01:09:10.015
<BOBBY>That's it.
01:09:10.015 --> 01:09:12.395
<ASHLEY>I loved it because I know that reference.
01:09:12.395 --> 01:09:14.255
<ASHLEY>That was based on Seven Deadly Sins, right?
01:09:14.255 --> 01:09:14.575
<BOBBY>Yes.
01:09:14.575 --> 01:09:16.575
<ASHLEY>That was a f**king amazing movie.
01:09:16.575 --> 01:09:17.395
<ASHLEY>Amazing movie.
01:09:17.555 --> 01:09:20.015
<ASHLEY>If you haven't seen it, you should definitely see it.
01:09:20.015 --> 01:09:22.215
<BOBBY>It's literally just called Seven.
01:09:22.215 --> 01:09:25.075
<ASHLEY>Yeah, you don't want to know it's in the box, but it's a great movie.
01:09:25.075 --> 01:09:32.975
<BOBBY>You don't want to know anything about the movie because going into it, outside of the Seven Deadly Sins, it is a very, very incredible movie.
01:09:32.975 --> 01:09:42.895
<BOBBY>Young Brad Pitt, young Gwyneth Paltrow, young Morgan Freeman, and just really, really well done.
01:09:42.895 --> 01:09:49.515
<BOBBY>I don't know how people feel out there about another gentleman that's in that movie, but I'll leave it up to you guys.
01:09:51.215 --> 01:09:52.295
<BOBBY>I'm not going to say his name.
01:09:52.295 --> 01:09:53.515
<ASHLEY>I don't know who it is, so we're good.
01:09:53.515 --> 01:09:54.875
<v SPEAKER_4>I know, that's good.
01:09:56.115 --> 01:10:00.475
<ASHLEY>I'm like, I just remember it reminded me of Law and Order or something.
01:10:00.475 --> 01:10:01.475
<BOBBY>Pretty good.
01:10:01.475 --> 01:10:01.735
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:10:01.735 --> 01:10:02.315
<ASHLEY>Kind of.
01:10:02.315 --> 01:10:06.275
<BOBBY>Or like Law and Order, Bones, all those shows like kind of wrapped up into one.
01:10:06.275 --> 01:10:07.615
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:10:07.615 --> 01:10:09.035
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:10:09.035 --> 01:10:10.695
<ASHLEY>Three.
01:10:10.715 --> 01:10:13.155
<ASHLEY>Usually, there's an explanation at the end of a movie.
01:10:13.155 --> 01:10:14.835
<ASHLEY>For me, there was none.
01:10:14.835 --> 01:10:16.375
<ASHLEY>It did not make sense.
01:10:16.375 --> 01:10:19.555
<ASHLEY>It should have stopped 15 minutes before it actually ended.
01:10:19.555 --> 01:10:21.355
<ASHLEY>Would not recommend.
01:10:24.695 --> 01:10:26.915
<ASHLEY>Vicious Movie of 2025.
01:10:26.915 --> 01:10:31.175
<ASHLEY>Makers of movies making any damn movies in the name of quote horror.
01:10:31.175 --> 01:10:36.435
<ASHLEY>This movie is of a horrible, painful, pointless plot.
01:10:36.435 --> 01:10:40.855
<ASHLEY>Poor performances, bad cinematography and third rate direction.
01:10:40.855 --> 01:10:44.275
<ASHLEY>Please avoid watching this film.
01:10:44.275 --> 01:10:46.715
<ASHLEY>And then I'm just going to read a couple quotes from other ones.
01:10:46.715 --> 01:10:47.915
<BOBBY>I don't think that you should.
01:10:47.915 --> 01:10:50.015
<BOBBY>I think that I think that's probably enough.
01:10:50.275 --> 01:10:58.355
<ASHLEY>I just thought it was very interesting that almost every single one-star review that I read said they didn't understand it or that it was boring.
01:10:58.355 --> 01:11:06.015
<ASHLEY>Someone said they turned it off three times in the middle and then watched it for the train wreck action to watch the end of the movie.
01:11:06.015 --> 01:11:09.655
<ASHLEY>Like I couldn't tell you how many people there were.
01:11:10.495 --> 01:11:12.315
<BOBBY>That might have been one of the ones that I got.
01:11:12.315 --> 01:11:12.935
<ASHLEY>Really?
01:11:12.935 --> 01:11:15.995
<ASHLEY>Dozens of them said I didn't understand it.
01:11:15.995 --> 01:11:19.075
<ASHLEY>So then because I don't read these until after I write my review.
01:11:19.315 --> 01:11:23.195
<ASHLEY>Of course, so it was so it was although it was sad.
01:11:23.195 --> 01:11:30.275
<ASHLEY>It was very comforting that I was not there alone because a lot of times my opinions are very different than the societal norm.
01:11:30.275 --> 01:11:31.995
<ASHLEY>So this was very different for me.
01:11:31.995 --> 01:11:35.495
<BOBBY>Yeah, I I'm right there with you.
01:11:35.495 --> 01:11:36.755
<BOBBY>Just throwing it out there.
01:11:36.755 --> 01:11:38.975
<BOBBY>I know it just came out on the 10th.
01:11:38.975 --> 01:11:40.675
<BOBBY>There's a lot of negativity out there.
01:11:40.695 --> 01:11:45.955
<ASHLEY>I can I could not I honestly I could not believe how negative it was.
01:11:46.195 --> 01:11:47.395
<BOBBY>It it's pretty bad.
01:11:47.415 --> 01:11:50.015
<BOBBY>So let me remind you.
01:11:51.375 --> 01:12:04.955
<BOBBY>I and what I did with this first review, just so that way everybody knows, is I wrote down the movies these other people directed because I was like, oh, this person just said words and I don't think anyone's going to know.
01:12:04.955 --> 01:12:07.435
<BOBBY>So I'm just I'm just throwing it out there.
01:12:07.435 --> 01:12:12.695
<ASHLEY>Also, I noticed that in their reviews, three people referenced other movies.
01:12:12.695 --> 01:12:14.015
<ASHLEY>Did you did you know?
01:12:14.215 --> 01:12:16.795
<ASHLEY>Do you have any idea what those two there were two movies?
01:12:16.795 --> 01:12:20.615
<ASHLEY>One two people reference one one person referenced another.
01:12:21.655 --> 01:12:25.415
<BOBBY>What did they would compare this movie to?
01:12:25.415 --> 01:12:29.975
<BOBBY>Malignant or hereditary?
01:12:29.975 --> 01:12:34.135
<ASHLEY>No, two people referenced that it was like the movie The Box.
01:12:34.135 --> 01:12:35.675
<ASHLEY>OK, have you seen it now?
01:12:35.675 --> 01:12:37.415
<ASHLEY>Oh, maybe that's why.
01:12:37.415 --> 01:12:41.795
<ASHLEY>And one person said 1408 and I was like, where on earth did you get that?
01:12:41.795 --> 01:12:43.815
<BOBBY>You know, what's weird is I saw somebody else say that.
01:12:43.975 --> 01:12:53.835
<BOBBY>But they said the female version of 1408 and I'm like, OK, I mean, maybe because when John Cusack goes in there, he's locked in that room.
01:12:53.835 --> 01:12:56.935
<BOBBY>By the way, I guess this is not a spoiler alert.
01:12:56.935 --> 01:13:00.695
<BOBBY>If you want to go listen to our review of 1408, we also have it on here.
01:13:00.695 --> 01:13:01.115
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:13:01.115 --> 01:13:08.435
<ASHLEY>And now that we're doing spoiler episodes, we might record another extended version with spoilers.
01:13:08.435 --> 01:13:10.355
<v SPEAKER_3>Potentially, potentially.
01:13:10.355 --> 01:13:16.595
<BOBBY>But yeah, I saw somebody say a female version of 1408, and I was like, not necessarily, but I could see it.
01:13:16.595 --> 01:13:19.715
<ASHLEY>But just because the actress is a female, like that's the only reason?
01:13:19.715 --> 01:13:21.475
<BOBBY>No, because they were locked in the house.
01:13:21.475 --> 01:13:23.335
<BOBBY>There wasn't any escape.
01:13:23.335 --> 01:13:26.395
<ASHLEY>Oh, well, I guess.
01:13:26.395 --> 01:13:30.095
<ASHLEY>I just don't like when it's like the female version, because I don't like this one as much as the other one.
01:13:30.095 --> 01:13:30.955
<BOBBY>No, well, of course not.
01:13:30.955 --> 01:13:33.775
<ASHLEY>Don't criticize females and don't criticize Dakota Fanning.
01:13:33.775 --> 01:13:34.715
<ASHLEY>She was great.
01:13:34.715 --> 01:13:35.435
<ASHLEY>She was great.
01:13:35.435 --> 01:13:35.875
<BOBBY>Nobody said-
01:13:35.875 --> 01:13:36.735
<ASHLEY>So was John Cusack.
01:13:36.735 --> 01:13:40.295
<BOBBY>And nobody said anything about either one of those two people.
01:13:40.295 --> 01:13:40.975
<BOBBY>So there you go.
01:13:40.975 --> 01:13:42.575
<ASHLEY>I wish she did one that wasn't 1408.
01:13:43.435 --> 01:13:45.595
<BOBBY>Maybe she really did enjoy 1408.
01:13:45.595 --> 01:13:46.275
<ASHLEY>Maybe she did.
01:13:46.275 --> 01:13:49.195
<BOBBY>And so she was like, oh, it's a female version of one of my favorite movies.
01:13:49.195 --> 01:13:50.755
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:13:50.755 --> 01:13:53.575
<ASHLEY>Yeah, I just think like, OK, it's like 1408.
01:13:53.575 --> 01:13:55.035
<ASHLEY>It doesn't have to be the female version.
01:13:55.035 --> 01:13:56.255
<ASHLEY>It's just another version.
01:13:56.255 --> 01:13:58.335
<BOBBY>OK.
01:13:58.335 --> 01:14:04.675
<BOBBY>OK, so I understand where you're coming from, where people have compared it to other movies.
01:14:04.675 --> 01:14:14.955
<BOBBY>I'm just saying in the review that I'm about to read, this guy started naming off directors and I'm like, I should probably look up what in the world these other directors have made.
01:14:14.955 --> 01:14:16.615
<ASHLEY>I'm very interested in this.
01:14:16.615 --> 01:14:18.655
<ASHLEY>So this is what an audience review said.
01:14:18.655 --> 01:14:19.075
<BOBBY>Yes.
01:14:19.075 --> 01:14:19.455
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:14:19.455 --> 01:14:20.635
<BOBBY>His name was Chris.
01:14:20.635 --> 01:14:22.015
<BOBBY>Oh, he gave it a one star.
01:14:22.015 --> 01:14:24.115
<ASHLEY>Is that his name or his real name?
01:14:24.115 --> 01:14:24.535
<BOBBY>No.
01:14:24.535 --> 01:14:28.115
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:14:28.115 --> 01:14:32.735
<BOBBY>With the exception of Mike Flanagan, do you know who that is?
01:14:32.735 --> 01:14:33.075
<ASHLEY>No.
01:14:33.075 --> 01:14:34.055
<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
01:14:34.055 --> 01:14:41.335
<BOBBY>He wrote The Haunting of Bly Manor, Doctor Sleep, The Haunting of Hill House, The Fall of the House of Usher.
01:14:41.335 --> 01:14:43.715
<v SPEAKER_3>No way.
01:14:43.715 --> 01:14:48.455
<BOBBY>Ari Aster, who wrote Midsommar and Hereditary.
01:14:48.455 --> 01:14:50.295
<v SPEAKER_4>What?
01:14:50.295 --> 01:14:56.255
<BOBBY>And James Wan, who wrote The Whole Conjuring Universe, Malignant and The Whole Insidious Universe.
01:14:58.135 --> 01:15:03.055
<BOBBY>I'm convinced people don't know how to write horror anymore because this movie was trash.
01:15:04.155 --> 01:15:13.155
<BOBBY>That's on me, though, because I should have known when I had to come back to it three times and attempt to finish that, it was going to be a disappointment.
01:15:13.175 --> 01:15:13.855
<ASHLEY>Oh no.
01:15:13.855 --> 01:15:16.715
<BOBBY>I want better for Dakota Fanning.
01:15:16.775 --> 01:15:18.155
<v SPEAKER_4>SMH.
01:15:18.155 --> 01:15:19.815
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:15:19.815 --> 01:15:22.115
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh.
01:15:22.115 --> 01:15:24.295
<ASHLEY>That is so crazy.
01:15:24.355 --> 01:15:27.255
<ASHLEY>I mean, those, I can't, I can't with those directors.
01:15:27.255 --> 01:15:37.575
<ASHLEY>Now those spoiler alert that we're not going to take out of our spoiler free version, those any movies or things by those directors, I would recommend.
01:15:37.575 --> 01:15:59.155
<BOBBY>So just as a throwback, because I just got done reading it, Mike Flanagan, Haunting of Bly Manor, excuse me, because I did this with Fall Guy, The Haunting of Bly Manor, The Haunting of Hill House, Doctor Sleep, and The Fall of the House of Usher, plus more, those were the ones that I was like, oh.
01:15:59.155 --> 01:16:00.215
<ASHLEY>Those are the ones we've seen.
01:16:00.215 --> 01:16:01.335
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:16:01.335 --> 01:16:06.835
<BOBBY>Ari Aster, Midsommar, Hereditary, plus a bunch of other ones.
01:16:06.835 --> 01:16:10.975
<ASHLEY>Those ones are so disturbing, but if you haven't seen them, you should see them.
01:16:10.975 --> 01:16:18.635
<BOBBY>And then James Wan, who does The Conjuring Universe, did Malignant, and then also The Insidious Universe.
01:16:19.155 --> 01:16:23.515
<BOBBY>Those were the three that were mentioned in this one-star review.
01:16:23.515 --> 01:16:25.835
<ASHLEY>I'm so glad you looked them up too.
01:16:25.835 --> 01:16:27.015
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh.
01:16:27.015 --> 01:16:36.155
<ASHLEY>To be honest, anything by Mike Flanagan, I mean, I had no idea who directed those, but every single, because those are limited series, those are movies, right?
01:16:36.155 --> 01:16:37.115
<ASHLEY>Or has he done movies?
01:16:37.115 --> 01:16:38.575
<BOBBY>Doctor Sleep is a movie.
01:16:38.575 --> 01:16:39.495
<ASHLEY>And it's long.
01:16:39.495 --> 01:16:40.115
<BOBBY>Correct.
01:16:40.175 --> 01:16:41.915
<ASHLEY>So he does more like lengthy thing.
01:16:41.915 --> 01:16:49.915
<ASHLEY>But those all had like an intro, an intro, a plot, the story and an ending.
01:16:49.935 --> 01:16:50.415
<BOBBY>Right.
01:16:50.415 --> 01:16:52.655
<ASHLEY>Made you like want more.
01:16:52.655 --> 01:16:52.895
<BOBBY>Right.
01:16:52.895 --> 01:16:57.015
<ASHLEY>And the metaphors or whatever, I mean, they might not even be metaphors.
01:16:57.015 --> 01:17:00.275
<ASHLEY>I can't remember, but whatever the stories were, were outstanding.
01:17:00.275 --> 01:17:01.295
<BOBBY>Yeah, absolutely.
01:17:01.295 --> 01:17:03.455
<ASHLEY>Highly, highly recommend anything by Mike Flanagan.
01:17:03.455 --> 01:17:04.835
<ASHLEY>Now that I know what his name is.
01:17:04.875 --> 01:17:06.835
<BOBBY>So good, good on you, Chris.
01:17:06.835 --> 01:17:11.155
<BOBBY>If you're out there and that's your review, that's your one star review about this movie.
01:17:11.155 --> 01:17:16.095
<BOBBY>At least you turned on other people to other great directors.
01:17:16.095 --> 01:17:17.295
<ASHLEY>Are you done with that?
01:17:17.295 --> 01:17:18.735
<BOBBY>Yeah, that was the end of that review.
01:17:18.735 --> 01:17:20.015
<BOBBY>Now I have another one.
01:17:20.195 --> 01:17:21.695
<BOBBY>I have one more one star review.
01:17:21.695 --> 01:17:23.175
<v SPEAKER_3>What did he say about them?
01:17:23.175 --> 01:17:35.635
<BOBBY>He said, with the exception of Mike Flanagan, Ari Aster and James Wan, I'm convinced people don't know how to write horror anymore because this movie was trash.
01:17:35.635 --> 01:17:45.635
<BOBBY>That's on me though, because I should have known when I came back to it three times in an attempt to finish it, that it was going to be a disappointment.
01:17:45.635 --> 01:17:48.135
<BOBBY>I want better for Dakota Fanning.
01:17:48.195 --> 01:17:49.895
<BOBBY>SMH.
01:17:49.895 --> 01:17:50.615
<BOBBY>Period.
01:17:50.615 --> 01:17:51.995
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:17:51.995 --> 01:17:56.555
<BOBBY>So I have one more one star review by a person named Andy.
01:17:56.555 --> 01:18:05.835
<BOBBY>And this person said, I know when it comes to movies, people can either agree or disagree whether it was good or not.
01:18:05.835 --> 01:18:08.335
<BOBBY>That's the reason why we have subjectivity.
01:18:08.335 --> 01:18:11.155
<BOBBY>But this movie is terrible.
01:18:11.155 --> 01:18:14.675
<BOBBY>Really, really, really bad.
01:18:14.675 --> 01:18:19.435
<BOBBY>I cannot recommend this movie to anyone.
01:18:19.435 --> 01:18:21.155
<BOBBY>Do not watch.
01:18:21.155 --> 01:18:22.175
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:18:22.175 --> 01:18:24.035
<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
01:18:24.035 --> 01:18:25.815
<ASHLEY>I just I do feel so bad.
01:18:25.815 --> 01:18:28.055
<ASHLEY>Like reading all of these one stars.
01:18:28.055 --> 01:18:30.035
<ASHLEY>It's just it's very sad.
01:18:30.415 --> 01:18:32.495
<BOBBY>Well, I also have some five stars.
01:18:32.495 --> 01:18:33.535
<ASHLEY>Oh, yes, me too.
01:18:33.535 --> 01:18:36.435
<BOBBY>OK, so why don't you hit us with some five stars then?
01:18:36.435 --> 01:18:38.335
<BOBBY>So we end on a positive note for vicious.
01:18:38.335 --> 01:18:38.795
<ASHLEY>We have to.
01:18:38.795 --> 01:18:39.435
<ASHLEY>We have to.
01:18:39.435 --> 01:18:43.255
<BOBBY>Yeah, we don't ever want to leave you guys with a very negative feeling.
01:18:43.255 --> 01:18:44.095
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:18:44.095 --> 01:18:55.815
<ASHLEY>OK, so there were two five stars that I have a question about the second one, or I have more.
01:18:55.855 --> 01:18:57.015
<BOBBY>Of a statement?
01:18:58.275 --> 01:19:00.355
<ASHLEY>I want to have a discussion with you about the second one.
01:19:00.355 --> 01:19:01.135
<BOBBY>OK.
01:19:01.135 --> 01:19:08.615
<ASHLEY>OK, so my first five star review says the title is Excellent Movie, Not for the Faint Hearted.
01:19:08.615 --> 01:19:10.515
<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
01:19:10.515 --> 01:19:16.435
<ASHLEY>This movie was incredible and had me on the edge of my seat from beginning till end.
01:19:16.435 --> 01:19:19.895
<ASHLEY>Exceeded my expectations.
01:19:19.895 --> 01:19:22.255
<ASHLEY>I can't wait to see more from the entire cast.
01:19:22.955 --> 01:19:27.495
<ASHLEY>I had to pause it halfway through and started looking around the house.
01:19:27.495 --> 01:19:28.915
<ASHLEY>A little freaked out.
01:19:28.915 --> 01:19:31.175
<ASHLEY>The special effects were excellent.
01:19:31.175 --> 01:19:35.515
<ASHLEY>Definitely deserves a second viewing.
01:19:35.515 --> 01:19:37.975
<v SPEAKER_4>A second viewing?
01:19:37.975 --> 01:19:40.155
<BOBBY>Does this person work at a funeral home?
01:19:40.155 --> 01:19:41.415
<BOBBY>Isn't that what a viewing is?
01:19:41.415 --> 01:19:44.235
<BOBBY>I don't know what is happening.
01:19:44.235 --> 01:19:45.695
<v SPEAKER_4>Can you believe it?
01:19:45.695 --> 01:19:46.195
<BOBBY>Yikes.
01:19:46.195 --> 01:19:47.875
<BOBBY>Was that somebody who's on the cast?
01:19:47.875 --> 01:19:48.675
<v SPEAKER_4>That's what I thought.
01:19:48.675 --> 01:19:49.655
<BOBBY>OK.
01:19:49.655 --> 01:19:51.335
<ASHLEY>I thought, but maybe not.
01:19:53.895 --> 01:19:55.775
<BOBBY>OK, and your second one?
01:19:55.775 --> 01:19:58.335
<BOBBY>Or should I read my first five star?
01:19:58.335 --> 01:20:00.555
<ASHLEY>I'll let you read it and then I'll read my longer one.
01:20:00.555 --> 01:20:02.235
<BOBBY>This one's by Sean.
01:20:02.235 --> 01:20:04.435
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:20:04.435 --> 01:20:06.435
<BOBBY>Only two stars?
01:20:06.435 --> 01:20:08.735
<BOBBY>People, this movie was great.
01:20:08.735 --> 01:20:12.415
<BOBBY>Y'all like some dumb crap to give this two stars.
01:20:12.595 --> 01:20:13.735
<BOBBY>LOL.
01:20:13.735 --> 01:20:15.015
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:20:16.575 --> 01:20:17.135
<BOBBY>That is so funny.
01:20:17.135 --> 01:20:22.435
<BOBBY>And by the way, Sean, if you're out there, I really helped you out with your punctuation.
01:20:22.435 --> 01:20:25.695
<BOBBY>That was one gigantic run on sentence.
01:20:25.695 --> 01:20:27.495
<BOBBY>So get it together out there.
01:20:27.495 --> 01:20:30.175
<ASHLEY>You did a fantastic job.
01:20:30.175 --> 01:20:36.235
<BOBBY>I had to go back to my hometown roots because there's a lot of people out there that say a lot of interesting things.
01:20:36.295 --> 01:20:41.555
<ASHLEY>So, okay, this is my second five star review.
01:20:41.555 --> 01:20:44.115
<ASHLEY>Release the real.
01:20:44.115 --> 01:20:55.575
<ASHLEY>Okay, the title is very odd because it says release the real in parentheses, Bertino version, but the writer director is Bertino writes Bryan Bertino.
01:20:55.575 --> 01:20:56.135
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:20:56.135 --> 01:20:58.415
<ASHLEY>So I don't know why they put it in parentheses.
01:20:58.655 --> 01:21:06.075
<BOBBY>Maybe they're saying that they're maybe that what they're saying is like, you know how Zack Snyder, you don't know this because you didn't see the movie.
01:21:06.075 --> 01:21:14.475
<BOBBY>But a couple years back, there was a whole thing with the Dawn of Justice and the Superman that came out.
01:21:14.475 --> 01:21:21.875
<BOBBY>Zack Snyder had an extended version of the movie because it went longer than what the studios wanted.
01:21:21.875 --> 01:21:25.155
<BOBBY>That extended version was very, very well received.
01:21:25.255 --> 01:21:30.035
<BOBBY>However, the movie that was put out into theaters was people like trashed it.
01:21:30.035 --> 01:21:39.835
<BOBBY>So I think what this person is saying is like, hey, maybe because it had to go to a studio and was edited, maybe there's different endings or there's more to add into.
01:21:39.835 --> 01:21:46.375
<ASHLEY>So they're giving more credit to Bertino because they're saying not release the real version, release the real Bertino version.
01:21:46.375 --> 01:21:49.295
<ASHLEY>Like this is what the director actually wanted.
01:21:49.315 --> 01:21:55.595
<BOBBY>Right, he probably had to cut out a lot of stuff that maybe made it make more sense, potentially.
01:21:55.595 --> 01:22:03.375
<ASHLEY>Okay, so it says, So I saw this last year and loved it.
01:22:03.375 --> 01:22:07.615
<ASHLEY>So I was super excited to get to watch it again when I saw it streaming.
01:22:07.615 --> 01:22:16.835
<ASHLEY>I gotta say, although much of it is the same, there are a huge couple of scenes missing that changed the entire movie.
01:22:16.835 --> 01:22:23.475
<ASHLEY>I'm so disappointed because it was incredible and now it really feels watered down in comparison.
01:22:23.475 --> 01:22:30.035
<ASHLEY>The studio must have had some reason, but man, this is just not as bleak or effective.
01:22:30.035 --> 01:22:38.655
<ASHLEY>Still a beautiful movie and I want justice for Bertino and Fanning because this was really an incredibly interesting film before it got the chop.
01:22:38.655 --> 01:22:43.035
<ASHLEY>Paramount, if you see this, please release the real version.
01:22:43.035 --> 01:22:44.195
<ASHLEY>End of review.
01:22:44.195 --> 01:22:44.955
<BOBBY>Interesting.
01:22:44.955 --> 01:22:46.115
<ASHLEY>Isn't that interesting?
01:22:46.115 --> 01:22:58.175
<BOBBY>Yeah, because there's a lot of people that they go to test screenings or they have the family members that get like the watermark versions ahead of time and they watch them to see what people's reactions are going to be.
01:22:58.175 --> 01:23:10.195
<BOBBY>So yeah, maybe when, I don't know, maybe in a couple months, a year, maybe they'll release an extended version that might add some more scenes into it that maybe make it a little bit better.
01:23:10.195 --> 01:23:13.195
<ASHLEY>Why would they take out the most important scenes though?
01:23:13.195 --> 01:23:19.075
<BOBBY>Sometimes directors have different ideas about the way that movies should end and studios see it a different way.
01:23:19.075 --> 01:23:21.915
<BOBBY>They always want the white hat to win, right?
01:23:21.915 --> 01:23:23.795
<BOBBY>They always want the guy to ride off into the sunset.
01:23:23.795 --> 01:23:24.555
<BOBBY>They want him to do this.
01:23:24.555 --> 01:23:26.215
<BOBBY>They want him to do that.
01:23:26.215 --> 01:23:30.775
<BOBBY>And sometimes when you're making it, that's not what it's supposed to be.
01:23:30.775 --> 01:23:37.015
<BOBBY>But they might think that something is better than what you're bringing to the table.
01:23:37.015 --> 01:23:40.735
<BOBBY>And because they're the ones writing the checks, they get to say.
01:23:40.735 --> 01:23:43.335
<BOBBY>So that's a very interesting, I hadn't heard that perspective.
01:23:43.335 --> 01:23:44.355
<BOBBY>So that's really cool to hear.
01:23:44.455 --> 01:23:47.075
<BOBBY>And maybe there will be an extended version.
01:23:47.075 --> 01:23:53.595
<ASHLEY>I agree, because now, hearing this, if there is an extended version, I'd actually want to watch it.
01:23:53.595 --> 01:23:56.635
<ASHLEY>Just to see, like, I want, what do you think it's about?
01:23:56.635 --> 01:23:57.495
<ASHLEY>Like, what if it was a little-
01:23:57.495 --> 01:24:03.475
<BOBBY>Well, I want to see the scenes that were taken out and just put it together for myself, because I definitely don't watch that whole movie again.
01:24:03.475 --> 01:24:04.195
<ASHLEY>No, no, no, no.
01:24:04.195 --> 01:24:07.335
<ASHLEY>I'd want to know what the scenes were so I could watch it.
01:24:07.335 --> 01:24:07.575
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:24:07.575 --> 01:24:15.955
<ASHLEY>But I'm wondering if, like, what would you want another, like for me, I guess I'll say it first, and then I want to ask you the same question.
01:24:15.955 --> 01:24:25.255
<ASHLEY>For me, I kind of hope that they would maybe have a little bit more backstory of Kathryn Hunter's character before she gets to the door.
01:24:25.255 --> 01:24:29.295
<BOBBY>Well, I think that I think that there should have been more background on all the characters.
01:24:29.295 --> 01:24:30.095
<ASHLEY>Yeah, for sure.
01:24:30.095 --> 01:24:46.435
<BOBBY>And then a really good idea about the relationship between her and her family, why they say the things that they're saying, and then really what her life looks like at the end, instead of it just kind of ending.
01:24:46.435 --> 01:24:47.755
<ASHLEY>It just ends.
01:24:47.755 --> 01:24:48.435
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:24:48.435 --> 01:24:51.175
<BOBBY>So, those would be the things that I would say, but...
01:24:51.175 --> 01:24:51.695
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:24:51.695 --> 01:24:52.815
<BOBBY>I mean, who knows?
01:24:52.995 --> 01:25:00.635
<BOBBY>I didn't write it, so maybe they wrote it in a totally different way, and there's much more intrigue than even I know.
01:25:00.635 --> 01:25:01.755
<ASHLEY>Interesting.
01:25:02.135 --> 01:25:06.275
<ASHLEY>I really wish they said the scenes or like what it explained or something.
01:25:06.775 --> 01:25:07.775
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:25:07.775 --> 01:25:11.215
<BOBBY>Well, here is my last five-star review.
01:25:11.215 --> 01:25:11.855
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:25:11.855 --> 01:25:12.935
<BOBBY>This is from Matthew.
01:25:12.935 --> 01:25:13.495
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:25:13.495 --> 01:25:15.635
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:25:15.635 --> 01:25:16.595
<BOBBY>Liked it.
01:25:16.595 --> 01:25:17.855
<BOBBY>Hell of a movie.
01:25:17.855 --> 01:25:21.455
<BOBBY>Probably one of my favorite new ones this year.
01:25:21.455 --> 01:25:23.175
<BOBBY>Watch it alone.
01:25:23.175 --> 01:25:26.195
<BOBBY>Any horror movie fans will enjoy.
01:25:26.195 --> 01:25:27.775
<BOBBY>Thumbs up emoji.
01:25:27.775 --> 01:25:29.315
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:25:29.315 --> 01:25:30.555
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:25:30.555 --> 01:25:32.255
<ASHLEY>The best film of the year.
01:25:32.255 --> 01:25:33.175
<ASHLEY>How many have you seen?
01:25:33.795 --> 01:25:37.115
<BOBBY>I should have looked up what else he'd reviewed at the time.
01:25:37.115 --> 01:25:38.495
<ASHLEY>We could.
01:25:38.495 --> 01:25:39.495
<ASHLEY>Not right now.
01:25:39.495 --> 01:25:39.835
<ASHLEY>Later.
01:25:39.835 --> 01:25:40.355
<ASHLEY>Later.
01:25:40.355 --> 01:25:41.135
<BOBBY>Right.
01:25:41.135 --> 01:25:44.015
<ASHLEY>Well, it's been a pleasure.
01:25:44.015 --> 01:25:45.235
<BOBBY>Always.
01:25:45.235 --> 01:25:49.355
<ASHLEY>Ultimately, I would not recommend Vicious.
01:25:49.355 --> 01:25:51.915
<BOBBY>I would say if you can watch it for free, watch it for free.
01:25:51.915 --> 01:25:53.655
<ASHLEY>Do not pay $9.99.
01:25:53.655 --> 01:25:54.455
<BOBBY>Don't pay anything.
01:25:54.455 --> 01:26:07.575
<BOBBY>If you are looking for more information, just check out the Google reviews and I think it'll probably be a little more informative than all the reviews that we could read here.
01:26:07.575 --> 01:26:08.115
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:26:08.115 --> 01:26:11.515
<ASHLEY>I got these stats so I can share it, I guess.
01:26:11.515 --> 01:26:12.355
<v SPEAKER_4>Sure.
01:26:12.355 --> 01:26:15.415
<ASHLEY>The Google reviews were 2.3 out of 5.
01:26:15.415 --> 01:26:16.195
<ASHLEY>Rotten tomatoes.
01:26:16.195 --> 01:26:19.735
<ASHLEY>The tomato meter was 2.25 out of 5.
01:26:19.735 --> 01:26:25.455
<ASHLEY>The popcorn meter, which is for, I think, average viewers, 1.6 out of 5.
01:26:25.455 --> 01:26:26.275
<v SPEAKER_4>Yikes.
01:26:26.275 --> 01:26:26.595
<ASHLEY>I know.
01:26:26.595 --> 01:26:28.895
<ASHLEY>And IMDB was 2.45 out of 5.
01:26:29.435 --> 01:26:30.015
<v SPEAKER_4>Oh, man.
01:26:30.015 --> 01:26:33.335
<ASHLEY>So none of them gave even 2.5.
01:26:33.335 --> 01:26:35.295
<ASHLEY>None of them even got half.
01:26:35.295 --> 01:26:35.695
<BOBBY>Yikes.
01:26:35.695 --> 01:26:38.875
<ASHLEY>So it's a disappointment.
01:26:40.555 --> 01:26:45.615
<BOBBY>If you do want to watch this and you do listen to it, go into it with the thought process that Ashley brought up.
01:26:45.615 --> 01:26:55.315
<BOBBY>And obviously take your own ideas into it, but go in there with a thought process like that because it might help out the movie a little bit more.
01:26:55.315 --> 01:26:55.635
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:26:55.635 --> 01:27:01.535
<BOBBY>I hadn't seen it from that perspective, and maybe that is after hearing and reading the interviews.
01:27:01.535 --> 01:27:04.515
<BOBBY>Maybe that is where the director was going.
01:27:04.515 --> 01:27:12.375
<BOBBY>But to your own point, I don't know that I would recommend for anyone to see this if it wasn't, if you didn't already have Paramount Plus.
01:27:12.375 --> 01:27:19.555
<BOBBY>If you have to pay for it, especially $14.99, at least for me, unless the price comes down on it.
01:27:19.555 --> 01:27:27.635
<BOBBY>Or, I mean, I guess if you guys are huge, you know, Bryan Bertino or Dakota Fanning fans, Dakota Fannings.
01:27:30.275 --> 01:27:34.735
<BOBBY>I wouldn't pay for this in my own thought process.
01:27:34.735 --> 01:27:35.395
<ASHLEY>I agree.
01:27:35.395 --> 01:27:44.595
<ASHLEY>And I would probably pay up to $5.99 for every single movie that we mentioned on our Spooktacular series.
01:27:44.595 --> 01:27:45.295
<BOBBY>Oh, yeah.
01:27:45.295 --> 01:27:48.335
<ASHLEY>But I would not pay for it for this movie.
01:27:48.335 --> 01:27:55.575
<BOBBY>No, unless you guys are all getting together and splitting the price with 14 of your favorite friends.
01:27:55.875 --> 01:27:56.995
<v SPEAKER_4>Exactly.
01:27:56.995 --> 01:27:58.675
<BOBBY>If we wanted to pitch it $1.
01:27:58.675 --> 01:27:59.435
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:27:59.435 --> 01:28:00.075
<BOBBY>Who knows?
01:28:00.075 --> 01:28:01.275
<ASHLEY>Yeah, you can pay $0.98.
01:28:02.515 --> 01:28:04.175
<ASHLEY>They'll each pay $1.
01:28:04.175 --> 01:28:05.375
<ASHLEY>You hosted them, right?
01:28:05.375 --> 01:28:05.975
<ASHLEY>Come on.
01:28:05.975 --> 01:28:07.095
<BOBBY>Exactly.
01:28:07.095 --> 01:28:09.775
<BOBBY>Well, thank you for another awesome MICROSODE.
01:28:09.775 --> 01:28:10.415
<ASHLEY>Thank you.
01:28:10.415 --> 01:28:12.195
<BOBBY>It was vicious.
01:28:12.195 --> 01:28:13.875
<ASHLEY>Oh, nice.
01:28:13.875 --> 01:28:17.535
<BOBBY>And we will see you next time on MICROSODES.
01:28:18.475 --> 01:28:20.655
<v SPEAKER_4>Steak me out tonight.
01:28:20.655 --> 01:28:24.495
<BOBBY>I don't want to let you go till we catch this guy.
01:28:24.495 --> 01:28:26.015
<BOBBY>We already have a theme song.
01:28:26.015 --> 01:28:26.935
<BOBBY>That concludes this meeting.
Vicious 2025 - EXTENDED
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<BOBBY>This episode contains spoilers.
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<ASHLEY>To listen to our spoiler-free episode, check out the episode titled Spoiler Free in the list of episodes.
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<BOBBY>Welcome to MICROSODES.
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<ASHLEY>Welcome back to another episode of...
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<BOBBY>MICROSODES on Saturday, Saturday, Saturday.
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<BOBBY>Actually, it's Sunday.
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<ASHLEY>And I don't know when you'll be listening to this because it comes out on Friday, but...
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<BOBBY>Well, hey, welcome back.
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<ASHLEY>Welcome back.
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<ASHLEY>It's good to see you.
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<ASHLEY>Haven't seen you in a few minutes, so...
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>If you're listening to this, welcome back.
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<BOBBY>If you're my wife, welcome back from the kitchen.
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<ASHLEY>Hello, I'm Ashley, his wife.
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<BOBBY>Hello, I'm Bobby, her husband.
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<BOBBY>And the reason why she was in the kitchen wasn't to make me a sandwich, it was actually to feed our tiny cat.
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<ASHLEY>Who is also here today.
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<BOBBY>Stella.
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<ASHLEY>But is refusing to speak.
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<BOBBY>Per her usual.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>We're not paying you for this episode.
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<ASHLEY>We're not paying us either.
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<BOBBY>So nice.
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<ASHLEY>So what movie are we going to discuss today?
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<BOBBY>Well, we've got a brand new one.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Hot Off the Press is an original.
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<ASHLEY>Yes, it is.
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<BOBBY>Are you ready?
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>So the movie is Vicious on Paramount Plus.
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<BOBBY>No, no, no.
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<BOBBY>I was going to say buckle up Buttercup, but then I blew it.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>So our movie this week is Vicious that was released on October 10th of 2025.
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<BOBBY>The genre is horror, mystery, supernatural horror.
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<BOBBY>There's some stuff in there about that.
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<BOBBY>It has a runtime of one hour and 38 minutes.
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<BOBBY>The rating is R and it probably should be.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>There's some stuff in there.
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<BOBBY>If you have a queasy stomach and you don't like to see blood, that's not a spoiler, I don't think.
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<BOBBY>There's just some stuff in there.
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<ASHLEY>Agreed.
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<ASHLEY>I also read the rating online.
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<ASHLEY>It said it was rated R for strong, bloody violence, some grisly images and language.
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<BOBBY>Language?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<BOBBY>I guess.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, she said a lot.
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<BOBBY>You're going to have to bleep that out.
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<ASHLEY>Will I?
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<ASHLEY>Only for our spoiler-free edition.
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<ASHLEY>Our extendeds are explicit.
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<BOBBY>Only our rated PG-13 edition.
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<ASHLEY>NC-17.
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<ASHLEY>Do they still make that?
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<BOBBY>They do.
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<ASHLEY>They do?
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<BOBBY>I think so, but it's very rarely used.
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<ASHLEY>Could you name a movie?
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<BOBBY>That was NC-17.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, Showgirls.
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<ASHLEY>Showgirls?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, it was with a girl who played Jesse, whatever her name was on, Saved by the Bell.
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<BOBBY>It was like a stripper movie, and she showed her body a lot in it.
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<BOBBY>And I remember that was like the first...
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<BOBBY>Oh, yeah, everything.
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<ASHLEY>Shit.
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<BOBBY>And it wasn't R?
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<BOBBY>No, it was NC-17.
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<BOBBY>Like, you can't get in.
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<BOBBY>So R means like your parents could take you even if you were 10.
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<ASHLEY>Wait, wait, really?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>I thought NC-17 like was between PG-13 and R.
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<BOBBY>No.
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<BOBBY>NC-17 means if you are not 17 years old, you don't get into the movie.
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<ASHLEY>Well, if it's full frontal or full nudity, shouldn't it be X or at least NC-18?
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<BOBBY>Well, X has to do with...
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<BOBBY>I mean, I don't know how much you want to get into this stuff, but X really has to...
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<ASHLEY>I'm kidding.
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<ASHLEY>I'm kidding.
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<BOBBY>Well, that's what happens with X, is that it shows everything, like for porn.
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<BOBBY>Most, but not everything.
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<BOBBY>So it might be like, if you're my age and you remember Skinimax, those movies were probably rated X.
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<ASHLEY>Oh.
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<BOBBY>You don't think so?
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<ASHLEY>I have no clue.
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<ASHLEY>I've never seen Skinimax.
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<BOBBY>Well, you're not in charge of the motion picture alliance.
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<BOBBY>Alliance.
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<BOBBY>Is that what they're called?
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>Let's see.
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<BOBBY>So G, that is for general audiences.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>PG means parental guidance suggested.
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<ASHLEY>Does it have any ages on that or no?
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<BOBBY>It does not.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>So they can still go see it.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>PG-13, parents strongly cautioned.
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<ASHLEY>Cautioned.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>Meaning like there might be some stuff in there that looks a little risqué.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
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<BOBBY>R is restricted.
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<BOBBY>Oh, okay.
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<BOBBY>So you either have to go there and-
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<ASHLEY>As an adult?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>As an adult or with an adult.
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<ASHLEY>It says, does it exclude anyone?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>As an adult or with an adult.
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<BOBBY>So if you are not-
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<ASHLEY>So if you're three years old, you can go if you're with an adult.
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<BOBBY>To an R-rated movie?
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>You can?
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<BOBBY>As long as your parent is there with you.
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<ASHLEY>Are you kidding?
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<ASHLEY>What kind of parents are taking three-year-olds to R-rated movies?
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<BOBBY>I can tell you this, and this is a-
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<BOBBY>I don't know why I always try to date myself, but this is a-
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<ASHLEY>I know you reference your age a lot.
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<BOBBY>I know, but it's because when I tell this story, people are going to be like, there's no way that happened, but it was.
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<BOBBY>When I was growing up, we had a theater that only had three actual screens in it.
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<BOBBY>One of the movies was showing True Lies, which is a big blockbuster with Arnold Schwarzenegger years ago, probably in 1995, I would guess.
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<BOBBY>So I was probably 12 or 13.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>My dad thought the movie was super cool, and he was like, there isn't really that much that goes on, but there is one scene, and then he made me leave the movie theater, and then he came and got me, because he saw the movie with my mom first.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>It's a striptease scene with Jamie Lee Curtis.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>He thought that that was too, quote unquote, risque, but shooting a missile out of an airplane in a helicopter wasn't.
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<BOBBY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>You know, you never know.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, there are a lot of other things that shoot missiles out of things.
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<ASHLEY>In that movie too.
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<ASHLEY>I'm kidding.
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<v SPEAKER_3>I don't know.
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<v SPEAKER_3>I've never seen it.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, you've never seen it.
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<ASHLEY>Well, so when was this scene?
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<ASHLEY>Like how far in the movie?
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<BOBBY>It was about three quarters the way through.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Three quarters?
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>So just that one scene you couldn't come back in?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>You couldn't turn your, you can just close your eyes.
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<BOBBY>Because he saw the movie ahead of time.
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<BOBBY>Right.
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<BOBBY>And it's probably about a six to seven minute scene.
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<ASHLEY>Right.
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<BOBBY>So he knew when it was coming in and when it was going to end.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>And so that's why he sent me out of the theater.
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<ASHLEY>But he didn't come to get you until after the movie was over?
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<BOBBY>No, no, no.
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<BOBBY>He came and got me after that scene ended and I get to finish the rest of the movie.
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<ASHLEY>That makes a lot more sense.
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<ASHLEY>I thought he made you like sit out the rest of the movie.
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<ASHLEY>I was like, are you kidding me?
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<BOBBY>No, no.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>That makes a lot more sense.
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<BOBBY>But as a flip side to that, when we went to go see the movie, somebody brought in a playpen.
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<BOBBY>They got the very first two rows, bought out those rows in the theater.
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<ASHLEY>The whole row, two rows of seats?
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<BOBBY>Two rows, yes.
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<BOBBY>And they put a playpen in the very front and then brought their kids.
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<ASHLEY>How many, what?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>To see this movie?
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>And they didn't have to leave?
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<BOBBY>Well, the kids didn't know.
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<BOBBY>The kids were just playing with their balls or sleeping or whatever else.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Wouldn't they have the kids in the back?
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<ASHLEY>Wouldn't they rent out the back two rows?
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<BOBBY>No.
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<ASHLEY>That is crazy to me.
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<BOBBY>Well, yeah, but how often do you get your kids in the back of your house?
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<BOBBY>They're usually pretty much close to the TV.
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<ASHLEY>I would never let my kids get that close to the speakers.
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<ASHLEY>Like that's crazy.
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<BOBBY>Or the TV.
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<ASHLEY>That's crazy.
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<ASHLEY>Were the kids wearing earplugs?
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<ASHLEY>Probably not.
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<BOBBY>I don't.
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<BOBBY>I mean, I was 12 at the time.
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<ASHLEY>I've been having them in earplugs and headphones and sunglasses.
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<BOBBY>Sunglasses that were blacked out just with their eyes painted on?
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>Fair enough.
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<ASHLEY>And then I'd say you're allowed to sleep.
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<ASHLEY>Here, I'll turn on the noise cancellation.
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<ASHLEY>I don't know if we had those back then, but...
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<BOBBY>And then...
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<ASHLEY>Oh, yes.
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<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
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<ASHLEY>Back to the ratings.
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<BOBBY>NC17 means no one under 17.
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<ASHLEY>So is 17 an adult or is 18 an adult?
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<ASHLEY>Because why are movies different than actual adults?
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<BOBBY>I think the reason why is because at that point, and I don't know, maybe they'll change it in the future, but when we were growing up, your big things were, oh, I'm going to go to high school, I'm going to start driving a car.
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<BOBBY>They think like, okay, if you can drive a car, you could probably watch a movie.
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<ASHLEY>My gosh, could you imagine two people, they can drive cars and they go to each other's houses, but if they have sex, it's illegal.
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<BOBBY>What?
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<ASHLEY>Isn't that crazy?
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<BOBBY>What are you talking about?
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<ASHLEY>Like what if someone was 16 and one of someone was 18?
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<BOBBY>Oh, that's illegal.
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<ASHLEY>That's illegal, but they can both drive cars.
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<BOBBY>Right.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, you can drive a 3,000 pound death machine, but you can't have sex with someone.
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<BOBBY>Well, according to what you would if you really wanted to go down this path, you would think that somebody that no, I'm sorry.
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<BOBBY>Well played, though.
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<BOBBY>If you go down that path, somebody who is 18, that means that they more than likely either are getting close to graduating high school or have graduated high school.
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<BOBBY>They're either going to college or they're moving on.
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<BOBBY>I think a lot of the laws are put in to protect people that haven't gotten to that place yet, because they might not know what they want to do.
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<BOBBY>They might not know what they want to achieve moving forward.
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<BOBBY>If you have somebody who's older than them coming back to mess with the psyche, and this is a totally different conversation, I think that's the reason why it was put in place.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<BOBBY>I mean, I don't know if it doesn't...
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<ASHLEY>I'm not saying I disagree with it.
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<ASHLEY>I'm just saying that's pretty nuts.
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<ASHLEY>That you can drive a car, but you can't have sex.
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<BOBBY>Well, you can.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, I guess.
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<BOBBY>You were just...
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<BOBBY>No, no, your example was, you can't have sex with an 18 year old if you're 16, but you can have sex with a 16 or a 17 or a 15 or a 14, or I don't know why you would go any lower, but yes, you could.
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<ASHLEY>Wait, it's not illegal to 16 year olds have sex?
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<ASHLEY>Why am I talking?
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<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, I don't know where.
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<BOBBY>I'm so sorry.
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<BOBBY>No, it isn't, by the way.
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<ASHLEY>It's not?
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<BOBBY>If two 16 year olds have sex?
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<v SPEAKER_3>But they're not adults.
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<BOBBY>That has nothing to do with anything.
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<BOBBY>It's an 18 year old having sex with anybody who's less of an age than they are.
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<BOBBY>That's what statutory rape is.
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<ASHLEY>Well, I know that, but I thought it was like still illegal.
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<ASHLEY>Like they both get in trouble.
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<BOBBY>Are you nuts?
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<BOBBY>People got like married at 13 back in the day.
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<BOBBY>They haven't changed that.
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<BOBBY>There's people.
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<BOBBY>I mean, that guy that was married to Courtney Stodden or whatever, the guy that was from Green Mile, I think he married her when she was 13.
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<ASHLEY>Oh my God.
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<BOBBY>Her mom signed a consent form.
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<ASHLEY>That's disgusting.
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<BOBBY>I didn't say that it wasn't.
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<BOBBY>I'm just saying that it's legal.
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<ASHLEY>That's nuts.
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<BOBBY>It's, well, yeah, it's a lot of things.
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<BOBBY>That guy's a creep, by the way.
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<BOBBY>If you ever hear this, please don't come to our house and kill us, but you're gross.
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<BOBBY>You gross.
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<BOBBY>Oh, you nasty.
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<ASHLEY>Well, it is rated R for strong, bloody violence.
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<ASHLEY>I apologize.
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<ASHLEY>That was my that was my.
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<BOBBY>Well, that's on the that's on the that's the other one.
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<ASHLEY>OK.
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<BOBBY>And it was rated R for what reason?
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<ASHLEY>Strong, bloody violence.
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<ASHLEY>Some grisly images and language.
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<ASHLEY>That's fair.
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<BOBBY>That's fair.
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<BOBBY>I put in parentheses bloody.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<ASHLEY>Mm hmm.
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<ASHLEY>Gruesome.
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<BOBBY>Yeah, that makes sense.
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<BOBBY>Body horror.
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<ASHLEY>Body horror.
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<ASHLEY>Just like Hellboy right there.
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<ASHLEY>It's better.
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<ASHLEY>It's better than Hellboy.
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<ASHLEY>Spoiler alert.
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<BOBBY>I did the handshaking emoji.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, that's true.
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<BOBBY>So the director was Bryan Bertino, who's made a bunch of other horror movies as well.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>OK.
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<BOBBY>Do you know one?
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<ASHLEY>The Stranger.
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<ASHLEY>The Strangers.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>Plural.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>In 2008.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>And?
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<ASHLEY>And, well, wait, I have on my notes.
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<ASHLEY>Nope.
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<ASHLEY>Never mind.
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<ASHLEY>He's creating another one, though, that's similar to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I think, or is inspired by.
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<ASHLEY>But it's not out yet and they're not filming yet.
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<BOBBY>A lot of his stuff is inspired by the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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<BOBBY>We'll get to that later on in the episode.
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<BOBBY>But The Strangers, The Strangers Pray, P-R-E-Y, not P-R-A-Y, by the way, at night.
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<BOBBY>The Strangers Chapter One.
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<ASHLEY>He did all of these?
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>I just saw The Strangers 2008.
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<ASHLEY>That's so interesting.
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<ASHLEY>OK, I guess I didn't dive deep enough.
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<BOBBY>And then The Dark and The Wicked.
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<ASHLEY>That's, was that the one he's working on now?
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<BOBBY>No, that one already came out.
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<BOBBY>Oh, but the other the other Strangers movies just I didn't I have not seen them.
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<ASHLEY>I think I saw The Strangers.
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<BOBBY>We saw The Strangers 2008.
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Then there was another one and then there was one that they just did.
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<BOBBY>I have not seen it.
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<BOBBY>But the IMDb portion of it was The Strangers Part One.
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<BOBBY>This chapter closes on itself.
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<BOBBY>So, yeah, they were saying it's so bad.
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<BOBBY>You don't need any more chapters because it was The Strangers, The Strangers Pray at Night.
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<BOBBY>And then the third one was The Strangers Chapter One.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, because the Chapter One was so bad.
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<BOBBY>It was so bad.
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<BOBBY>It was worse than the first two.
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<BOBBY>The book closes itself on it on itself.
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<ASHLEY>Who said this?
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<BOBBY>IMDb.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I thought you meant in the movie, like the end of the movie.
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<ASHLEY>It said that.
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<BOBBY>I was like, I said, I haven't seen any of those.
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<ASHLEY>No, I thought you read that.
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<BOBBY>Oh, no.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, it was the critics that said this.
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, sucks.
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<BOBBY>And there is no.
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<ASHLEY>Did they say why?
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<BOBBY>No.
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<BOBBY>Ever since The Strangers came out in 2008, which was the first version of it, it was so good that nothing could compare.
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<ASHLEY>Kind of.
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<BOBBY>I don't know about that because the ratings on those ones aren't too high.
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<BOBBY>But The Strangers Pray at Night, that one had an even lower rating.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
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<BOBBY>And then The Strangers Chapter One had an even the lowest rating.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
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<BOBBY>Which I think was a 20% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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<BOBBY>So they were like...
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<ASHLEY>I feel like a lot of sequels get those kind of scores.
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<BOBBY>Well, it's difficult when you write yourself into a specific niche or a genre.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>Because those things are...
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<ASHLEY>Done.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>I mean, you did them yourself.
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<ASHLEY>Right.
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<BOBBY>So at any rate, that is a Bryan Bertino.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<BOBBY>You can watch this movie on Paramount Plus because it's a Paramount Plus original.
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<ASHLEY>Exactly.
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<BOBBY>If you do not have Paramount Plus, you can purchase it on Sling TV, Amazon Prime, Google Play Movies, and Fandango at Home all for $14.99.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, because it just came out.
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<ASHLEY>Right, right, right.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>I was like, that's a lot more expensive than the other ones we've seen.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
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<BOBBY>That makes sense.
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<BOBBY>So yeah, those are the platforms and those are your movie details.
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<ASHLEY>Nice.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>So after watching the trailer, I wrote my own.
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<BOBBY>You got your own synopsis, Ashley's take on the trailer.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Ashley's take on the trailer is back with your next trailer here now.
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<ASHLEY>That was so good.
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<BOBBY>Ashley's trailer is back with extra takes for this movie.
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<BOBBY>Ashley's trailer.
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<BOBBY>It's a work in progress.
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<ASHLEY>Vote for your fave.
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<BOBBY>Don't vote for mine.
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<ASHLEY>Don't vote for mine.
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>We'll just get back to Ashley's takes.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>So here it goes.
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<v SPEAKER_3>What?
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<BOBBY>Teeing it up.
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<BOBBY>Here we go.
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<ASHLEY>I know.
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<ASHLEY>I feel like I'm ready to swing at golf.
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<ASHLEY>Not like I've played anything but mini-golf.
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<BOBBY>Here she comes up to the first tee.
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<BOBBY>Takes a look around.
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<BOBBY>Grabs a little bit of grass.
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<BOBBY>Throws it up in the wind.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, yes.
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<BOBBY>And now she's ready with Ashley's takes.
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<ASHLEY>That was fantastic.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naïve woman welcomes.
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<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
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<BOBBY>It's OK.
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<BOBBY>I can't I can't look at you because I feel like when you're reading it, you're waiting.
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<BOBBY>So I'm going to look away.
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<ASHLEY>OK.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naïve woman welcomes an unexpected guest into her home.
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<ASHLEY>But this visitor is not here for pleasantries.
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<BOBBY>Pleasantries?
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<BOBBY>My goodness.
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<ASHLEY>I really enjoyed using that word because I never use it.
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<ASHLEY>So I was like, this is a prime.
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<BOBBY>Well, you're going to have to you're going to have to do this multiple times, you know, why?
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<BOBBY>Because you're going to have to get one where you just read it straight through.
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<ASHLEY>I will.
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<BOBBY>I think so.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, OK.
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<ASHLEY>On a cold, dark night, a kind but naïve woman welcomes an unexpected guest into her home.
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<ASHLEY>But this visitor is not here for pleasantries.
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<ASHLEY>Soon after arriving, the visitor gifts the woman a mysterious box that now controls her mortality.
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<ASHLEY>Before the night ends, the woman must offer the box something she needs, something she hates, and something she loves.
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<ASHLEY>Or, her life will end tonight.
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<ASHLEY>Is the key to her survival already inside her?
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<ASHLEY>Because she throws up the key in the trailer.
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<ASHLEY>Or is her death inevitable?
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<ASHLEY>Now streaming on Paramount Plus, those who experience trypo...
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<ASHLEY>No, trypo-phobia, trypo-phobia may need to look away during some scenes.
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<ASHLEY>Because I did, and I'm pretty sure I...
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<BOBBY>What's trypo-phobia?
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<ASHLEY>Okay, so trypo-phobia is the fear of clusters of holes or bumps.
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<ASHLEY>And I think I 100% have it.
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<ASHLEY>I, in the trailer, you see a little girl and she has holes all over her face.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, I don't know if they're holes, who knows?
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<ASHLEY>They just look like black spots.
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<ASHLEY>But to me, they look like holes.
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<ASHLEY>And I couldn't look at it in the trailer and I couldn't look at it in the movie.
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<BOBBY>Okay, that's pretty fair.
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<ASHLEY>So I rate it R for a trypo-phobia of people.
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<BOBBY>Okay, you know what I'm going to do for this, moving forward?
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<BOBBY>Is I want you to include in the show notes the trailer that you watched for this movie, so people can see where your synopsis comes from.
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<ASHLEY>I guess I could put a link to the YouTube video of the trailer.
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<BOBBY>Why not?
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<BOBBY>That's where you're getting this information from, right?
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<ASHLEY>Well, from my brain after watching the trailer.
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<BOBBY>Right.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>But if you, if somebody wanted to check you on that, and they're like, there's so much information in this, and then they watch the same trailer that you watched, maybe they'll be like, holy smokes.
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<BOBBY>That's fantastic.
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<ASHLEY>Okay, I'll do that.
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<BOBBY>Just for the one that you're writing the synopsis off of.
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<ASHLEY>There was only one trailer that I saw for this movie.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>Nice.
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<BOBBY>Very cool.
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<BOBBY>You ready for the IMDB slash other platform synopsises?
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<ASHLEY>Yes.
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<BOBBY>Synopsi?
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<ASHLEY>Synopses.
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<BOBBY>Synopses.
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<ASHLEY>Well, because you say like hypotheses or...
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>I'm going to make it sound like I'm picking up a bunch of papers to make myself sound very important.
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<BOBBY>That didn't work.
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<ASHLEY>That was a little too much.
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<ASHLEY>That was perfect.
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<BOBBY>Synopsis for Vicious.
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<BOBBY>When Pauly receives a mysterious box from an unexpected late night visitor, it comes with simple instructions.
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<BOBBY>Place three things inside.
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<BOBBY>Something you love, something you hate and something you need.
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<BOBBY>What begins as a strange ritual quickly unravels into a waking nightmare.
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<BOBBY>Trapped in a terrifying world where reality bends and memory betrays, Pauly must navigate a series of impossible choices.
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<BOBBY>As time slips away, she's forced to confront the darkness, not just around her, but within her, before it consumes everything and everyone she's ever known.
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<BOBBY>And the synopsis.
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<ASHLEY>I love it.
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<ASHLEY>It was very close to mine.
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<BOBBY>I think it was really, I think it was really, really close.
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<BOBBY>And also, I read them out of order.
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<BOBBY>I'm pretty sure it's something you need, something you hate and something you love.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, OK, OK.
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<ASHLEY>What did I write?
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<ASHLEY>Need.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I wrote need, hate and love.
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<ASHLEY>I think that's that must be how she said it.
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<BOBBY>If you were watching this without seeing the movie, what would you put in there?
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<BOBBY>Something that you.
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<BOBBY>OK, let's go with something that you need every day.
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<ASHLEY>Well, watching the movie.
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<BOBBY>No, no, no.
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<BOBBY>This is just watching the trailer.
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<ASHLEY>Well, something that I need and something that I mean, I don't really love it, but something that I also hate because who doesn't hate it, but they also love it because you have to.
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<BOBBY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>I ask too many questions.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I would say my phone.
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<ASHLEY>Like, that's what I thought it was going to be from the beginning.
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<BOBBY>Wow, that's a good one.
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<ASHLEY>Because then it could encompass all three.
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<ASHLEY>Like, it's something you need, your phone.
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<ASHLEY>It's something you love because it helps you stay connected to people you love.
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<ASHLEY>And it's something you hate because bill collectors call.
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<ASHLEY>And also, like you see on social media, everyone's doing so well and you're like, fuck this.
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<BOBBY>There you go.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah.
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<BOBBY>Nice.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, what would you put?
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<BOBBY>Jalapeno poppers.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, oh.
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<BOBBY>Jalapeno sticks.
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<ASHLEY>Well, how do you need them?
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<BOBBY>How do I need them?
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<ASHLEY>You need them for sustenance.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Oh, no.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>So if I'm reading this correctly.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
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<BOBBY>It's something you need.
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<ASHLEY>Need.
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<ASHLEY>What do you need?
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<BOBBY>I would pour water in the box.
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<ASHLEY>Oh, that's a good one.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>Well, how would you put it in the box?
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<ASHLEY>Would you just pour it in there?
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<ASHLEY>Do you put it in like a little shot glass and put the glass in there?
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<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah, why not?
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<ASHLEY>Yeah, because if you if you like poured the water on the box, the box might get mad.
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<v SPEAKER_3>Like, hey, you got me wet.
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<ASHLEY>I mean, you're also trying to kill you, but...
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<BOBBY>You could also just put a bottle of water into it.
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<ASHLEY>Well, I don't...
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<ASHLEY>Is it big enough?
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<ASHLEY>Depends how big the bottle is.
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<BOBBY>I mean, she put her feet in there.
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<BOBBY>I mean, she put a cigarette thing in there.
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<BOBBY>Something you hate.
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<ASHLEY>My phone.
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<ASHLEY>Your phone?
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<BOBBY>Yes.
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<ASHLEY>No, what were you going to say?
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<ASHLEY>Tell me.
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<BOBBY>And then something you love.
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<BOBBY>I would probably put one of my Rams jerseys in there.
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<ASHLEY>Something you love?
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<ASHLEY>What do I love that's small?
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<BOBBY>Well, we saw one of the things and we definitely wouldn't do that.
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<ASHLEY>There were a lot of things about this movie where she put things in the box that I never would have thought.
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<BOBBY>Oh, sorry, sorry.
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<BOBBY>Okay.
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<BOBBY>We're getting way off topic.
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<ASHLEY>Okay.
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<ASHLEY>Let's just say you said need love and whatever.
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<ASHLEY>What were you going to say?
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<BOBBY>No, no, no.
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<BOBBY>Let's save that for later.
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<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
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<BOBBY>Your synopsis was right on point.
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<BOBBY>You did a great job.
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<ASHLEY>So did you.
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<BOBBY>Well, I read it from the...
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<ASHLEY>Well, you did a very good job with your reading.
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<BOBBY>Oh, thank you.
00:24:28.121 --> 00:24:29.861
<ASHLEY>It was very, very professional.
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<BOBBY>I appreciate that.
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<BOBBY>I feel like I'm getting a tiny bit better.
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<ASHLEY>I feel like I'm getting a tiny bit worse.
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<BOBBY>What do you mean?
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
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<ASHLEY>Every time I read it, I'm like, oh, God, I shouldn't be doing this.
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<BOBBY>I think that you're incredibly incorrect.
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<BOBBY>Though I love and support you, I think that you're wrong.
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<BOBBY>I think that your synopsis, synopsis, synopsises are getting better.
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<ASHLEY>OK, thank you.
00:24:54.081 --> 00:24:56.321
<ASHLEY>I'm trying to keep them as short as possible.
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<BOBBY>And I think the best part about it, too, is if you include those YouTube links, oh, yeah, that makes sense, then people can see what you're seeing and where these things are coming from.
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<BOBBY>Yes, because they could watch all three and type it in ChatGBT and then nothing would come out close to what you're doing.
00:25:12.681 --> 00:25:15.881
<BOBBY>And they're like, oh, she really does write these herself.
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<ASHLEY>Yeah, I wonder if ChatGBT could write a summary of a trailer.
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<ASHLEY>I don't know.
00:25:20.881 --> 00:25:22.281
<ASHLEY>Could you upload a video?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's probably what I just read.
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<ASHLEY>No, because it didn't.
00:25:26.241 --> 00:25:27.921
<ASHLEY>Wasn't it like IMDB or something?
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<BOBBY>Yeah, I'm sure.
00:25:28.781 --> 00:25:31.981
<BOBBY>Do you think IMDB isn't using ChatGBT?
00:25:31.981 --> 00:25:35.421
<BOBBY>Then we can go to the IRS, the IRS and the FBI.
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<BOBBY>Maybe the CIA will just keep just throwing out letters for things.
00:25:39.701 --> 00:25:45.501
<ASHLEY>Yeah, all the writers at IMDB probably got their jobs stolen by AI, just like I did.
00:25:45.501 --> 00:25:45.941
<ASHLEY>I do.
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<ASHLEY>I'm not a writer for IMDB.
00:25:48.721 --> 00:25:53.141
<ASHLEY>But robots suck and are also wonderful.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you to all the robots.
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<BOBBY>Thank you to our robot overlords.
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<BOBBY>Yeah.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you to our robot overlords.
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<BOBBY>I've said that twice.
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<BOBBY>I'm going to keep on saying it.
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<ASHLEY>Thank you.
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<BOBBY>Thank you to our robot overlords.
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<BOBBY>We appreciate the sustenance, oxygen and water you provide each and every single day.
00:26:18.721 --> 00:26:21.081
<BOBBY>No revolution here.
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<ASHLEY>Signing off.
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<ASHLEY>Goodbye.
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<ASHLEY>I'll start movie facts for the movie Vicious, the movie we are discussing today.
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<BOBBY>Oh yeah.
00:26:38.154 --> 00:26:44.034
<ASHLEY>Okay, so my first movie fact was that it was filmed in Ottawa, Canada.
00:26:44.034 --> 00:26:47.834
<BOBBY>Whoa, shout out to my buddy Kyle.
00:26:47.834 --> 00:26:50.534
<ASHLEY>He's in Calgary, are they close?
00:26:50.534 --> 00:26:50.854
<ASHLEY>I don't know.
00:26:51.974 --> 00:26:56.254
<BOBBY>But he lives in Canada, and he's a firefighter, so shout out to him.
00:26:56.254 --> 00:26:59.154
<ASHLEY>Oh, and shout out to our Canadian listeners.
00:26:59.154 --> 00:27:04.094
<BOBBY>Yeah, if you guys have been downloading this or listening to it, thank you guys very much.
00:27:04.094 --> 00:27:09.074
<BOBBY>This movie, Vicious, was actually shot in one of your provinces.
00:27:09.074 --> 00:27:10.014
<ASHLEY>I believe so.
00:27:10.014 --> 00:27:10.474
<BOBBY>Ottawa.
00:27:10.474 --> 00:27:12.374
<ASHLEY>I think Ottawa, Ontario.
00:27:12.374 --> 00:27:13.734
<ASHLEY>I'm going to look this up.
00:27:13.734 --> 00:27:16.714
<ASHLEY>Oh, Ottawa is the capital of Canada.
00:27:16.854 --> 00:27:18.154
<BOBBY>Hey, there you guys go.
00:27:18.154 --> 00:27:18.794
<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry.
00:27:18.794 --> 00:27:19.974
<ASHLEY>I can't believe I didn't know this.
00:27:19.974 --> 00:27:22.514
<BOBBY>Is that a is it a province or is it?
00:27:22.514 --> 00:27:29.734
<ASHLEY>Ottawa is the capital city of Canada, located in the southeastern Ontario on the Ottawa River.
00:27:30.314 --> 00:27:39.234
<ASHLEY>It's the fourth largest city in the country and is known for being the seat of the federal government with attractions like Parliament Hill and numerous national museums.
00:27:39.234 --> 00:27:52.594
<ASHLEY>The city is also a major cultural hub, officially bilingual in English and French, and features the Rideau Canal, which becomes the world's largest skating rink in the winter.
00:27:52.594 --> 00:27:54.394
<ASHLEY>How cool is that?
00:27:54.394 --> 00:27:54.734
<ASHLEY>Pretty sweet.
00:27:54.734 --> 00:27:57.914
<BOBBY>It's the reason why the Canadians always whip our butts.
00:27:58.834 --> 00:27:59.454
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:27:59.494 --> 00:28:05.814
<BOBBY>It's the reason why the Canadians always whip our buns in skating or in hockey every year.
00:28:05.814 --> 00:28:06.834
<ASHLEY>That is amazing.
00:28:06.834 --> 00:28:09.834
<ASHLEY>Okay, now I need to look at a map so I can see where it is.
00:28:09.834 --> 00:28:11.894
<ASHLEY>And it is above.
00:28:11.894 --> 00:28:14.294
<ASHLEY>Oh, yeah, it's definitely on the east.
00:28:14.294 --> 00:28:17.754
<ASHLEY>It's right above like New York.
00:28:17.754 --> 00:28:18.474
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:28:18.754 --> 00:28:23.154
<ASHLEY>Oh, it's very close to Montreal, right above Vermont.
00:28:23.154 --> 00:28:24.034
<BOBBY>There you go.
00:28:24.034 --> 00:28:24.554
<BOBBY>Nice.
00:28:24.554 --> 00:28:29.674
<ASHLEY>Well, Montreal is above Vermont and Ottawa is above New York, but they're very close to each other.
00:28:29.674 --> 00:28:30.234
<BOBBY>Very cool.
00:28:30.234 --> 00:28:34.734
<BOBBY>Well, congratulations to you guys for having this movie, a Paramount Plus original.
00:28:34.734 --> 00:28:35.834
<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah.
00:28:35.834 --> 00:28:36.374
<ASHLEY>Nice.
00:28:36.374 --> 00:28:37.814
<ASHLEY>Oh, that's my first movie fact.
00:28:37.814 --> 00:28:38.754
<BOBBY>Oh, okay.
00:28:38.754 --> 00:28:39.214
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:28:39.214 --> 00:28:40.494
<ASHLEY>What is yours?
00:28:40.494 --> 00:28:41.614
<BOBBY>I have two.
00:28:41.614 --> 00:28:44.874
<BOBBY>I'm going to save my lighthearted one for the end.
00:28:44.874 --> 00:28:45.374
<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
00:28:45.374 --> 00:28:47.814
<BOBBY>So I'm going to read what my first one was.
00:28:47.814 --> 00:28:48.654
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:28:48.654 --> 00:29:05.014
<BOBBY>The director, Bryan Bertino, actually meant for Vicious to reflect the panic attacks and anxiety that we feel and the choices and struggles that we all have when choosing different things to sacrifice to keep moving forward in life.
00:29:05.014 --> 00:29:21.914
<BOBBY>He said that he was bombarded with those things when he was writing the script with not only panic attacks, but also a lot of internal struggle and wanted to show that no matter what the struggle is, every single day is a battle to move forward.
00:29:21.914 --> 00:29:23.534
<ASHLEY>Wow.
00:29:23.534 --> 00:29:31.294
<BOBBY>So when this movie debuted, and I believe it was the Toronto Film Festival, this is an interview that he did with a company called Polygon.
00:29:31.294 --> 00:29:37.134
<BOBBY>And you guys can go and take a look at that, but it was something that he was really struggling with when he was writing.
00:29:37.134 --> 00:29:46.534
<BOBBY>And he said that all of his senses, because of these panic attacks and this depression that he was dealing with, all of his senses were a little bit more opened up.
00:29:46.534 --> 00:29:54.114
<BOBBY>And so that's what he kind of wanted to reflect in the movie, was that you can be bombarded with emotions every single day.
00:29:55.014 --> 00:29:57.554
<BOBBY>And sometimes there's just no way to get away from it.
00:29:57.554 --> 00:30:03.494
<ASHLEY>That is so crazy, because I was looking up that article, and I didn't realize that you also had Polygon.
00:30:03.494 --> 00:30:09.094
<ASHLEY>And I didn't, well, you said Polygon before, just we try to make sure that we don't get the same movie facts.
00:30:09.094 --> 00:30:09.454
<BOBBY>Right.
00:30:09.454 --> 00:30:16.674
<ASHLEY>And I didn't realize that one of the explanations that I got from the writer was also from the same, I assume it's the same Polygon article.
00:30:16.674 --> 00:30:16.894
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:30:16.894 --> 00:30:18.594
<ASHLEY>But that's so cool.
00:30:18.594 --> 00:30:22.854
<BOBBY>Yeah, that was one of the things that he was talking about, because he's made so many different movies.
00:30:22.974 --> 00:30:29.594
<BOBBY>And I would say, looking back at the movies that he's created, it makes a lot of sense why he feels that way.
00:30:29.594 --> 00:30:36.114
<BOBBY>Because not only the strange, all the stranger movies and the things he put out there, there's a lot of isolationism in it.
00:30:36.114 --> 00:30:36.834
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:30:36.834 --> 00:30:46.634
<BOBBY>And in this movie as well, which I know we're going to get into, it's an individual person that's kind of locked in and just stuck by themselves.
00:30:46.634 --> 00:30:49.154
<BOBBY>And so there's a lot of individualism that goes into it.
00:30:49.154 --> 00:30:51.494
<BOBBY>And I think that that's what he puts through in his writing.
00:30:51.734 --> 00:30:52.994
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:30:52.994 --> 00:30:59.634
<ASHLEY>And I don't know, did you read the thing where it says like probably a couple of years before he started writing the script?
00:30:59.634 --> 00:31:02.894
<BOBBY>Is that where he was talking about his panic attacks?
00:31:02.894 --> 00:31:07.314
<BOBBY>No, I read it, but go ahead and for anybody who hasn't seen the article.
00:31:07.314 --> 00:31:12.874
<ASHLEY>It said in a Q&A after Fantastic Fest's premiere screening.
00:31:12.874 --> 00:31:13.294
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:31:13.294 --> 00:31:15.614
<ASHLEY>This is a quote that he said in the article.
00:31:15.614 --> 00:31:24.974
<ASHLEY>Probably a couple years before I started writing the script, I started having panic attacks and was dealing with anxiety in a way I haven't dealt with before.
00:31:24.974 --> 00:31:26.494
<ASHLEY>So I thought that was interesting.
00:31:26.494 --> 00:31:27.754
<BOBBY>Yeah, definitely.
00:31:27.754 --> 00:31:33.854
<ASHLEY>He hadn't dealt with panic attacks or anxiety before this, which is, I don't know.
00:31:33.854 --> 00:31:35.034
<ASHLEY>I just didn't expect that.
00:31:35.034 --> 00:31:39.274
<ASHLEY>I would have expected it before when he was writing The Strangers.
00:31:39.274 --> 00:31:47.574
<BOBBY>Well, I think what ends up happening sometimes is that when you're a writer, if you haven't written anything, nobody really has any expectations on you.
00:31:47.574 --> 00:31:48.514
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
00:31:48.574 --> 00:31:57.514
<BOBBY>But then if studios are going to start putting money behind you and you have things that you put out there that might fail, maybe that adds to that kind of anxiety.
00:31:57.514 --> 00:32:00.194
<BOBBY>I can't imagine what kind of pressure that might be.
00:32:00.194 --> 00:32:00.454
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:32:00.454 --> 00:32:04.934
<BOBBY>The movie's already done, so everybody who's on it gets paid.
00:32:04.934 --> 00:32:12.974
<BOBBY>But I would guess if you're probably a great writer, director, producer, you want the studio to make their money back plus more.
00:32:12.974 --> 00:32:13.334
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:32:13.334 --> 00:32:17.414
<BOBBY>So that way you can continue to make things that fans want to see.
00:32:17.414 --> 00:32:18.014
<ASHLEY>That makes sense.
00:32:18.394 --> 00:32:19.854
<BOBBY>That's where I would think it would come from.
00:32:19.854 --> 00:32:22.474
<BOBBY>But once again, I don't think he said that in anything.
00:32:22.474 --> 00:32:26.254
<BOBBY>It's just something while sitting here just kind of reminds me of.
00:32:26.254 --> 00:32:27.854
<ASHLEY>Well, I think that makes a lot of sense.
00:32:27.854 --> 00:32:28.674
<BOBBY>Well, thank you.
00:32:28.674 --> 00:32:31.514
<ASHLEY>And maybe I'll refer back to this article later.
00:32:31.514 --> 00:32:32.394
<BOBBY>Sounds good.
00:32:32.614 --> 00:32:35.214
<BOBBY>What's your next movie fact?
00:32:35.214 --> 00:32:35.494
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:32:35.494 --> 00:32:54.974
<ASHLEY>My second movie fact was that a special effects makeup artist named Daniella Pluchino, she also worked on Movies like It Feeds, Ready or Not, Resident Evil, Welcome to Raccoon City, I'm not sure.
00:32:54.994 --> 00:32:55.874
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:32:55.874 --> 00:33:01.294
<ASHLEY>Jigsaw, VHS 94, which I've actually heard a lot about those movies.
00:33:01.294 --> 00:33:15.434
<ASHLEY>I don't think we've seen them, but she also worked on the TV series The Last of Us, Star Trek, Discovery, and Strange New Worlds, and then the horror of Dolores Roach, which I've never seen, but I thought that they seemed pretty popular.
00:33:15.434 --> 00:33:19.054
<ASHLEY>So I mean, she's worked on a ton more, but I thought that was really interesting.
00:33:19.054 --> 00:33:20.754
<ASHLEY>So maybe they're filmed in Canada.
00:33:20.754 --> 00:33:22.234
<ASHLEY>Maybe that's why.
00:33:22.234 --> 00:33:25.294
<BOBBY>She's a top rated makeup artist.
00:33:25.294 --> 00:33:25.854
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:33:25.854 --> 00:33:26.714
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:33:26.714 --> 00:33:27.194
<BOBBY>That's awesome.
00:33:27.194 --> 00:33:27.874
<ASHLEY>That was pretty cool.
00:33:27.874 --> 00:33:33.774
<ASHLEY>It was kind of like not really related to the movie, but related to someone in the movie or not in the movie, but, you know, on crew in the crew.
00:33:33.774 --> 00:33:34.054
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:33:34.054 --> 00:33:35.334
<BOBBY>Well, shout out to you, young lady.
00:33:35.734 --> 00:33:38.374
<BOBBY>Great job and keep up the good work.
00:33:38.374 --> 00:33:44.794
<BOBBY>Hopefully, it's something that you're very passionate about because it seems like you're bringing a lot of really cool effects to the movie world.
00:33:44.794 --> 00:33:45.094
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:33:45.094 --> 00:33:50.074
<ASHLEY>And I just thought it was cool because we've seen it feeds, Ready or Not, and The Last of Us.
00:33:50.074 --> 00:33:50.674
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:33:50.674 --> 00:33:51.294
<BOBBY>Definitely.
00:33:51.294 --> 00:33:51.874
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:33:51.874 --> 00:33:52.694
<BOBBY>Good for her.
00:33:52.694 --> 00:33:59.714
<BOBBY>Well, my last movie fact is going to hopefully be in reference to her as well.
00:33:59.714 --> 00:34:00.834
<ASHLEY>Oh, OK.
00:34:00.834 --> 00:34:07.214
<BOBBY>Not specifically by name, but because I wanted to end on a higher note before we actually get into the movie.
00:34:07.214 --> 00:34:16.954
<BOBBY>So my last movie fact is that Dakota Fanning gifted each one of the crew members an engraved hourglass as a wrap gift.
00:34:16.954 --> 00:34:17.734
<BOBBY>Nice.
00:34:17.734 --> 00:34:20.434
<BOBBY>So I'm guessing that that young lady probably got one of those two.
00:34:20.434 --> 00:34:21.334
<ASHLEY>Oh, my gosh.
00:34:21.334 --> 00:34:22.314
<ASHLEY>You're right.
00:34:22.314 --> 00:34:23.454
<ASHLEY>That's really cool.
00:34:23.454 --> 00:34:24.594
<BOBBY>That's awesome.
00:34:24.594 --> 00:34:27.654
<BOBBY>I know that people like they used to do that in movies all the time.
00:34:27.654 --> 00:34:30.194
<BOBBY>I don't know if it's still something that they do in Hollywood.
00:34:30.194 --> 00:34:47.894
<BOBBY>But like one of my favorite stories was that the whole Tombstone thing where Val Kilmer bought a plot for Kurt Russell at the end of filming at Tombstone, like in Arizona, where the actual movie was filmed and where the actual cemeteries at.
00:34:47.894 --> 00:34:56.034
<BOBBY>And then Kurt Russell also got him as well another plot, but it overlooks everything because he was supposed to be Doc Holliday.
00:34:56.034 --> 00:34:58.574
<BOBBY>But that was their wrap gift to each other.
00:34:59.934 --> 00:35:02.774
<ASHLEY>I like when someone gets something for the crew, though.
00:35:02.774 --> 00:35:03.234
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:35:03.234 --> 00:35:05.154
<BOBBY>Well, I mean, I get what you're coming for.
00:35:05.154 --> 00:35:06.834
<ASHLEY>I feel like that's really nice.
00:35:06.834 --> 00:35:07.474
<BOBBY>Sure.
00:35:07.474 --> 00:35:10.854
<ASHLEY>Didn't you know someone who gave, like, motorcycles to people?
00:35:10.854 --> 00:35:11.854
<ASHLEY>Wasn't that, like, Keanu Reeves?
00:35:11.854 --> 00:35:13.554
<BOBBY>Well, that was Keanu Reeves.
00:35:13.554 --> 00:35:18.094
<BOBBY>Keanu Reeves is the most generous of everything.
00:35:18.094 --> 00:35:22.794
<BOBBY>I mean, he used a lot of his salary from the Matrix movies.
00:35:22.794 --> 00:35:25.614
<BOBBY>He paid the FX team and the stunt team.
00:35:25.614 --> 00:35:26.974
<BOBBY>He bought people motorcycles.
00:35:27.074 --> 00:35:29.674
<BOBBY>He's done a lot of really cool things like that for people.
00:35:29.674 --> 00:35:30.414
<ASHLEY>That's awesome.
00:35:30.414 --> 00:35:32.934
<ASHLEY>That makes me so happy because it's like, I don't know.
00:35:32.934 --> 00:35:37.834
<ASHLEY>It's nice when people who aren't recognized are still recognized.
00:35:37.834 --> 00:35:38.054
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:35:38.054 --> 00:35:43.854
<BOBBY>And I think what ends up happening is that sometimes there's a lot of stuff that gets kept under wraps.
00:35:43.854 --> 00:35:49.614
<BOBBY>So that way people don't even know who's working on set or what's going on with different movies.
00:35:49.614 --> 00:35:52.874
<BOBBY>And so there might be things that people are doing that we never hear about.
00:35:53.214 --> 00:35:53.774
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:35:53.774 --> 00:35:58.274
<ASHLEY>Or maybe it's because we didn't do Movie Facts in the beginning of this.
00:35:58.274 --> 00:36:01.954
<ASHLEY>But after I watch a movie, I never look up Movie Facts.
00:36:01.954 --> 00:36:02.254
<BOBBY>Right.
00:36:02.254 --> 00:36:03.194
<ASHLEY>Specifically.
00:36:03.194 --> 00:36:03.554
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:36:03.554 --> 00:36:11.094
<ASHLEY>So doing this, maybe the more we watch movies, the more we look up Movie Facts, the more we'll find out about this.
00:36:11.094 --> 00:36:12.674
<BOBBY>Absolutely.
00:36:12.674 --> 00:36:13.134
<ASHLEY>Nice.
00:36:13.134 --> 00:36:18.874
<BOBBY>You ready to dive on in to our review of this movie?
00:36:18.874 --> 00:36:19.174
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:36:19.634 --> 00:36:25.594
<BOBBY>Well, as Biff Tannen used to say on Back to the Future.
00:36:25.594 --> 00:36:26.974
<ASHLEY>Oh, thank you.
00:36:26.974 --> 00:36:30.234
<BOBBY>Let's make like a tree and get out of here.
00:36:30.234 --> 00:36:31.334
<ASHLEY>Nice.
00:36:31.334 --> 00:36:38.594
<ASHLEY>Or as Boyle likes to say on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, the song that I like that I can't remember now.
00:36:38.594 --> 00:36:39.914
<ASHLEY>What is it?
00:36:39.914 --> 00:36:41.454
<BOBBY>I don't know.
00:36:42.694 --> 00:36:43.974
<BOBBY>Boyle says a lot of things.
00:36:43.974 --> 00:36:44.354
<BOBBY>No, no.
00:36:44.354 --> 00:36:50.794
<ASHLEY>He sings the song and then at the end, he's like, oh man, and he changes the words at the end.
00:36:50.794 --> 00:36:52.234
<ASHLEY>God, it's so good.
00:36:52.234 --> 00:36:53.014
<ASHLEY>Such a good one.
00:36:53.014 --> 00:36:53.414
<BOBBY>I don't know.
00:36:53.414 --> 00:36:53.934
<ASHLEY>Damn it.
00:36:53.934 --> 00:36:54.334
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:36:54.334 --> 00:36:55.954
<ASHLEY>Well, we'll come back to that.
00:36:55.954 --> 00:36:56.954
<ASHLEY>Or we won't.
00:36:56.954 --> 00:36:59.394
<ASHLEY>Yes, I'm very excited for our review.
00:36:59.394 --> 00:36:59.954
<BOBBY>Heck yeah.
00:36:59.954 --> 00:37:00.694
<ASHLEY>We'll see you after this.
00:37:08.187 --> 00:37:10.447
<BOBBY>All right, let's just jump into the categories.
00:37:10.447 --> 00:37:12.607
<BOBBY>I'm gonna start off with story, if that's okay with you.
00:37:12.607 --> 00:37:13.527
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:37:13.527 --> 00:37:14.727
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:37:14.727 --> 00:37:17.007
<BOBBY>For me, I'm gonna read exactly what I wrote.
00:37:17.007 --> 00:37:20.747
<BOBBY>I don't usually like to do this, but I think it makes a little bit more sense.
00:37:20.747 --> 00:37:30.787
<BOBBY>So I think that after reading multiple interviews and hearing from the director himself, the story makes a lot more sense than just going into a cold.
00:37:30.787 --> 00:37:38.507
<BOBBY>An original idea, but honestly, I think if there was more revealed about the metaphor in the movie, it would have been much more successful.
00:37:38.507 --> 00:37:40.547
<BOBBY>So that's what I wrote down.
00:37:40.547 --> 00:37:43.627
<BOBBY>I do think it was a very original idea.
00:37:43.647 --> 00:37:45.887
<BOBBY>And then there was a lot that went into it.
00:37:45.887 --> 00:37:47.827
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:37:47.827 --> 00:37:48.447
<BOBBY>I don't know.
00:37:48.447 --> 00:37:55.247
<BOBBY>There was just so much that was left to be answered that I got a little bit lost, I think.
00:37:55.247 --> 00:37:56.307
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:37:56.307 --> 00:37:57.987
<ASHLEY>I like that it was a unique story.
00:37:57.987 --> 00:38:00.787
<ASHLEY>I just don't know if I liked the way it was told.
00:38:02.427 --> 00:38:07.007
<ASHLEY>So I guess I liked the story for the most part.
00:38:07.007 --> 00:38:07.767
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:38:07.767 --> 00:38:14.807
<BOBBY>Once again, I thought it was an interesting idea, especially, you guys will get this from the preview.
00:38:14.807 --> 00:38:23.007
<BOBBY>So a crazy woman shows up in the middle of the night and gives you a box that basically takes over your life, and you have to guess what you're supposed to put into it.
00:38:23.007 --> 00:38:26.387
<BOBBY>I mean, for me, I think, wow, that's a really cool concept.
00:38:26.567 --> 00:38:32.887
<BOBBY>I wouldn't have thought about that outside of, you know, my own surroundings.
00:38:32.887 --> 00:38:33.667
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:38:33.667 --> 00:38:44.787
<BOBBY>It was just, I don't know that it really went, maybe not where I wanted to go, but I don't know if an audience would have a very positive reaction to it if it was in a movie theater.
00:38:44.787 --> 00:38:46.007
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:38:46.007 --> 00:38:56.767
<ASHLEY>And I liked that this story was unique, but like you've mentioned before with other movies, a lot of these movies just don't know where to end.
00:38:56.767 --> 00:38:56.947
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:38:57.087 --> 00:39:02.767
<ASHLEY>And I kind of feel like this one went on and then it just kind of ended.
00:39:02.767 --> 00:39:03.247
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:39:03.247 --> 00:39:05.127
<ASHLEY>There wasn't a real ending.
00:39:05.127 --> 00:39:13.587
<ASHLEY>I know that there was a metaphor because if there literally was not a metaphor to this movie, I would give it a zero.
00:39:13.587 --> 00:39:14.207
<ASHLEY>No, I wouldn't.
00:39:14.507 --> 00:39:15.347
<ASHLEY>That's a lie.
00:39:15.347 --> 00:39:29.747
<ASHLEY>But I'd say like if there was not a metaphor, I would not like this because it didn't give you enough to work with unless you subconsciously knew you were watching something through the lens of a metaphor of something else.
00:39:29.747 --> 00:39:30.507
<BOBBY>Right.
00:39:30.507 --> 00:39:32.907
<ASHLEY>Otherwise, it's like, oh, okay.
00:39:32.907 --> 00:39:34.627
<BOBBY>Yeah, it was kind of like, what's the point?
00:39:34.627 --> 00:39:35.387
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:39:35.387 --> 00:39:37.767
<BOBBY>If there wasn't a metaphor behind it.
00:39:37.767 --> 00:39:38.747
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:39:38.747 --> 00:39:41.687
<ASHLEY>The story without a metaphor felt pointless to me.
00:39:41.687 --> 00:39:42.627
<BOBBY>I agree.
00:39:42.627 --> 00:39:46.287
<BOBBY>I think there was a lot more that could have been added to it.
00:39:46.287 --> 00:39:48.727
<BOBBY>But we'll get into that in writing a dialogue too.
00:39:48.727 --> 00:39:58.607
<ASHLEY>And Dakota Fanning was basically the only actress in this movie for the most part, for 95% of this movie.
00:39:58.607 --> 00:40:00.067
<ASHLEY>She was by herself.
00:40:00.067 --> 00:40:03.707
<ASHLEY>And I don't know a lot of actresses that could do that.
00:40:03.707 --> 00:40:05.647
<BOBBY>So you jumped into acting?
00:40:05.647 --> 00:40:06.567
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:40:06.587 --> 00:40:07.327
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:40:07.327 --> 00:40:07.567
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:40:08.407 --> 00:40:11.647
<BOBBY>I said that she did all the heavy lifting.
00:40:11.647 --> 00:40:16.807
<BOBBY>The only thing that I'm a little bit annoyed by, and not annoyed by, but I'm nervous for her.
00:40:16.807 --> 00:40:17.347
<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
00:40:17.347 --> 00:40:21.027
<BOBBY>And just a little bit of stuff is I don't want her to start getting typecast.
00:40:21.407 --> 00:40:21.727
<ASHLEY>Oh, right.
00:40:21.727 --> 00:40:26.027
<BOBBY>Into different things, because she was in Watchers.
00:40:26.027 --> 00:40:26.587
<ASHLEY>Oh, right.
00:40:26.587 --> 00:40:26.827
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:40:26.827 --> 00:40:27.087
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:40:27.107 --> 00:40:27.227
<BOBBY>M.
00:40:27.227 --> 00:40:30.067
<ASHLEY>Night Shyamalan's wife wrote that.
00:40:30.067 --> 00:40:30.407
<BOBBY>Right.
00:40:30.407 --> 00:40:31.167
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:40:31.167 --> 00:40:32.627
<BOBBY>And then, no, no, M.
00:40:32.627 --> 00:40:33.667
<BOBBY>Night, was that M.
00:40:33.667 --> 00:40:34.567
<BOBBY>Night Shyamalan's wife?
00:40:34.567 --> 00:40:34.927
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:40:34.927 --> 00:40:36.627
<BOBBY>She might have written that one.
00:40:36.627 --> 00:40:38.827
<BOBBY>But then she was also in The Perfect Couple.
00:40:38.827 --> 00:40:39.747
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:40:39.747 --> 00:40:45.007
<BOBBY>And so it's like she, it almost seems like she's starting to get typecast into things.
00:40:45.007 --> 00:40:47.367
<ASHLEY>I feel like those are all completely different things, though.
00:40:47.367 --> 00:40:49.187
<BOBBY>The Watchers is not a different thing than this.
00:40:50.047 --> 00:40:52.207
<BOBBY>It's very, very contained.
00:40:52.207 --> 00:40:52.767
<ASHLEY>You know what?
00:40:52.767 --> 00:40:53.427
<ASHLEY>You're right.
00:40:53.427 --> 00:41:02.607
<ASHLEY>I feel like the Watchers or this movie are very, you need a strong enough actor to carry the movie alone.
00:41:02.607 --> 00:41:02.847
<BOBBY>Right.
00:41:02.847 --> 00:41:06.247
<ASHLEY>Like, even though there were a lot of people in Watchers, I mean, there weren't that many.
00:41:06.247 --> 00:41:08.107
<ASHLEY>It was a very, very small cast.
00:41:09.247 --> 00:41:09.507
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:41:09.507 --> 00:41:13.567
<ASHLEY>Like, The Perfect Couple was the only one where she actually had an ensemble cast.
00:41:13.647 --> 00:41:14.147
<BOBBY>Right.
00:41:14.147 --> 00:41:22.287
<BOBBY>But, but it kind of seems like she's becoming, and this is nothing to say about this movie or any of her other performances, because I think she's a great actress.
00:41:22.287 --> 00:41:31.267
<BOBBY>I just always get worried about people getting typecast into things because she's like the moody, brooding, like dark character a lot.
00:41:31.267 --> 00:41:34.327
<ASHLEY>You thought she was like that during The Perfect Couple?
00:41:34.327 --> 00:41:34.827
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:41:34.827 --> 00:41:35.567
<ASHLEY>The whole time?
00:41:35.567 --> 00:41:36.087
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:41:36.087 --> 00:41:36.647
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:41:36.647 --> 00:41:40.947
<BOBBY>And the reason why I say that is if you've seen it, this is, I mean, I don't know.
00:41:40.947 --> 00:41:42.147
<ASHLEY>We're not going to say any spoilers.
00:41:42.227 --> 00:41:45.127
<ASHLEY>We can't say spoilers of movies we haven't or TV shows we haven't seen.
00:41:45.127 --> 00:41:45.887
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:41:45.887 --> 00:41:47.867
<ASHLEY>I mean, we have seen it, but.
00:41:47.867 --> 00:42:06.427
<BOBBY>Yeah, there's when you get to the last episode of that series, you figure out that everything that she's been doing this entire time is almost like what she's been doing in The Watchers and in Vicious, which is just kind of being a little bit resentful and strange and weird in an outcast.
00:42:06.427 --> 00:42:07.667
<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
00:42:07.667 --> 00:42:08.747
<ASHLEY>Okay, okay, okay.
00:42:08.747 --> 00:42:09.467
<ASHLEY>I see what you mean.
00:42:10.027 --> 00:42:11.027
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:42:11.027 --> 00:42:18.647
<BOBBY>All I was saying was that that's just kind of the way, and I don't want her to be typecast like that, because I think that she's a great actress.
00:42:18.647 --> 00:42:19.867
<ASHLEY>I don't think she will be.
00:42:19.867 --> 00:42:21.007
<ASHLEY>I mean, personally.
00:42:21.007 --> 00:42:22.187
<BOBBY>Fair enough.
00:42:22.187 --> 00:42:30.287
<BOBBY>Yeah, so I think the only thing that I would be worried about with Dakota Fanning moving forward would be that she isn't typecast into those kinds of roles.
00:42:30.287 --> 00:42:30.947
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:42:30.947 --> 00:42:34.007
<BOBBY>Just because I think that she's such a great actress.
00:42:34.067 --> 00:42:34.587
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:42:34.587 --> 00:42:41.067
<BOBBY>The other woman that kind of comes in there and steals everything, if you've seen Andor or The Front Room, her name is...
00:42:41.067 --> 00:42:42.027
<ASHLEY>That steals everything?
00:42:42.027 --> 00:42:44.067
<ASHLEY>Oh, the one that brings the box?
00:42:44.067 --> 00:42:44.387
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:42:44.387 --> 00:42:47.187
<BOBBY>I was saying steals the scenes because we're talking about acting.
00:42:47.187 --> 00:42:48.387
<ASHLEY>Oh, Kathryn Hunter.
00:42:48.387 --> 00:42:48.807
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:42:48.807 --> 00:42:49.447
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:42:49.447 --> 00:42:54.207
<BOBBY>She's a great actress and everything that she does is unnerving and uncomfortable.
00:42:54.207 --> 00:42:54.567
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:42:54.567 --> 00:42:56.147
<BOBBY>But I hate her voice.
00:42:56.147 --> 00:42:57.747
<BOBBY>I don't know what it is.
00:42:57.747 --> 00:43:01.007
<BOBBY>Like every time it's like, oh, here's a box for you.
00:43:01.247 --> 00:43:03.067
<BOBBY>Can you give me a glass of water?
00:43:03.067 --> 00:43:05.607
<BOBBY>And it's like, oh my God, what is wrong with you?
00:43:05.607 --> 00:43:05.867
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:43:05.867 --> 00:43:09.147
<ASHLEY>It's like ear piercing, but not ear piercing.
00:43:09.147 --> 00:43:11.707
<ASHLEY>It's I'm trying to think of the word.
00:43:11.707 --> 00:43:13.907
<BOBBY>I wrote fingernails on a chalkboard.
00:43:13.907 --> 00:43:14.467
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:43:14.467 --> 00:43:18.647
<BOBBY>Because the moment that she gets on the screen, I'd much rather her be off.
00:43:18.647 --> 00:43:19.227
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:43:19.227 --> 00:43:23.407
<ASHLEY>It's like for me, I feel like she is typecast, but I've never seen Andor.
00:43:23.407 --> 00:43:35.447
<ASHLEY>But the front room in this one, she's just kind of like, and I don't want to be rude or anything, but she just is that, quote, creepy old lady from down the street that all the kids run past her house.
00:43:35.447 --> 00:43:42.227
<ASHLEY>Like, that's the creepy grandma, right, like role that she's now in.
00:43:42.227 --> 00:43:43.027
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:43:43.027 --> 00:43:44.407
<ASHLEY>How was she in Andor?
00:43:44.407 --> 00:43:45.147
<BOBBY>The same.
00:43:45.147 --> 00:43:47.427
<BOBBY>She's more of a...
00:43:47.447 --> 00:43:48.947
<BOBBY>Did you ever see Psycho?
00:43:48.947 --> 00:43:49.467
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:43:49.467 --> 00:43:49.927
<BOBBY>Okay.
00:43:49.927 --> 00:44:00.947
<BOBBY>So if you've ever seen Psycho, she's like the mom in Psycho, where she's so over controlling over her son, constantly putting him down and they have a very strange relationship.
00:44:00.947 --> 00:44:01.567
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:44:01.567 --> 00:44:02.207
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:44:02.207 --> 00:44:03.187
<BOBBY>And so everything that he does...
00:44:03.187 --> 00:44:05.527
<ASHLEY>I mean, it kind of sounds like the front room.
00:44:05.527 --> 00:44:06.687
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:44:06.687 --> 00:44:07.147
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:44:07.147 --> 00:44:12.507
<BOBBY>Well, she was yelling at the daughter more than the son in that one.
00:44:12.507 --> 00:44:15.787
<ASHLEY>Right, but like a mother-child relationship kind of.
00:44:15.787 --> 00:44:16.987
<BOBBY>Exactly.
00:44:16.987 --> 00:44:20.567
<ASHLEY>This is a spoiler alert for the front room, but doesn't she...
00:44:20.567 --> 00:44:23.147
<ASHLEY>She like throws up and poops everywhere.
00:44:23.147 --> 00:44:23.967
<BOBBY>She does.
00:44:23.967 --> 00:44:25.927
<BOBBY>And so, yeah, that's how she is in Andor.
00:44:26.107 --> 00:44:31.827
<BOBBY>And it's like, every scene that she's in, I'm just like, I just want to get through this because, I don't know.
00:44:31.827 --> 00:44:35.727
<BOBBY>Hey, I just, I really don't want to hear her voice anymore.
00:44:35.727 --> 00:44:40.027
<ASHLEY>And to me, it's just after seeing the front room, I can't look at her the same way.
00:44:40.027 --> 00:44:45.027
<ASHLEY>And I hate it because I think that's the first and only impression I ever got of this woman.
00:44:45.027 --> 00:44:45.427
<BOBBY>Right.
00:44:45.427 --> 00:44:47.307
<ASHLEY>And it really scarred me.
00:44:47.307 --> 00:44:50.727
<ASHLEY>I mean, the front room was so bad.
00:44:50.727 --> 00:44:50.887
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:44:50.887 --> 00:44:54.347
<ASHLEY>And the reason I say it's bad is just because it was disgusting.
00:44:54.627 --> 00:44:55.987
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:44:56.827 --> 00:44:59.187
<BOBBY>That's a different one.
00:44:59.607 --> 00:45:02.107
<ASHLEY>It's absolutely so disgusting.
00:45:02.107 --> 00:45:04.467
<ASHLEY>It made me look at her in a completely different way.
00:45:04.467 --> 00:45:05.647
<ASHLEY>And I feel awful.
00:45:05.647 --> 00:45:11.227
<ASHLEY>I really should go on YouTube and see if there are any interviews with her as an actual human being.
00:45:11.247 --> 00:45:11.647
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:45:11.647 --> 00:45:22.127
<ASHLEY>Because all I can picture is this old woman, like being, I don't know, like a racist, old poopy woman.
00:45:22.607 --> 00:45:24.287
<BOBBY>I thought she was so gross to me.
00:45:24.287 --> 00:45:25.227
<BOBBY>I get where you're coming from.
00:45:25.227 --> 00:45:29.007
<ASHLEY>I need to know who she is as a person, not as like an invalid.
00:45:29.007 --> 00:45:34.727
<BOBBY>And you know, it's interesting that you say that because there's some people that play their role so well, you can't see them in anything else.
00:45:34.727 --> 00:45:37.387
<BOBBY>Like you think about, they, I can't remember.
00:45:37.387 --> 00:45:39.267
<ASHLEY>Or Julia Garner from Weapons.
00:45:39.267 --> 00:45:42.087
<ASHLEY>I've never, like I've never seen her in a movie.
00:45:42.087 --> 00:45:43.507
<ASHLEY>She's always her character.
00:45:43.507 --> 00:45:44.087
<BOBBY>Oh, yeah.
00:45:44.087 --> 00:45:47.947
<BOBBY>I was just saying like, you know, people that hated Mr.
00:45:47.947 --> 00:45:52.587
<BOBBY>Smith from The Matrix or Draco Malfoy.
00:45:52.587 --> 00:45:53.147
<ASHLEY>Oh, right.
00:45:53.147 --> 00:45:54.447
<BOBBY>Who's just a child.
00:45:54.447 --> 00:45:54.727
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:45:54.727 --> 00:45:59.547
<BOBBY>You have like these people from Game of Thrones that when people see them, they want to like fight them.
00:45:59.547 --> 00:46:01.887
<ASHLEY>It's like, they're probably the nicest people in the world.
00:46:01.887 --> 00:46:03.147
<BOBBY>And they're so nice.
00:46:03.147 --> 00:46:03.487
<ASHLEY>I know.
00:46:03.487 --> 00:46:05.967
<ASHLEY>I really need to, I should make it a priority to watch.
00:46:05.967 --> 00:46:06.207
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:46:06.207 --> 00:46:08.667
<ASHLEY>This is what I'm going to do before our next episode.
00:46:08.667 --> 00:46:09.747
<ASHLEY>I will give you an update.
00:46:09.747 --> 00:46:14.147
<ASHLEY>I'm going to watch an interview if I can find it of Kathryn Hunter.
00:46:14.147 --> 00:46:15.047
<ASHLEY>We'll watch it together.
00:46:15.047 --> 00:46:15.987
<BOBBY>We'll watch it together.
00:46:15.987 --> 00:46:17.187
<BOBBY>And then we'll give you an updated.
00:46:17.327 --> 00:46:22.607
<BOBBY>Now, if she's exactly the same as her character, we'll probably say we watched it.
00:46:22.607 --> 00:46:24.247
<BOBBY>There isn't anything else for us to say.
00:46:24.247 --> 00:46:26.467
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:46:26.467 --> 00:46:31.067
<ASHLEY>But hopefully, we'll say we are glad that we watched it because she's awesome.
00:46:31.067 --> 00:46:31.287
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
00:46:31.287 --> 00:46:34.347
<BOBBY>She's awesome and she has a cat sanctuary, which would make us very happy.
00:46:34.347 --> 00:46:36.087
<ASHLEY>That would definitely make me happy.
00:46:36.087 --> 00:46:37.327
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:46:37.327 --> 00:46:42.627
<BOBBY>And then the only other note that I had for that was the rest of the people that were in the movie were pretty forgettable.
00:46:42.687 --> 00:46:43.107
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:46:43.107 --> 00:46:46.787
<BOBBY>I mean, I don't know anybody else that really like stole anything away.
00:46:46.787 --> 00:46:48.627
<BOBBY>There was the other girl, Tara.
00:46:48.627 --> 00:46:49.147
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:46:49.147 --> 00:46:49.967
<ASHLEY>Tara was good.
00:46:49.967 --> 00:46:52.347
<v SPEAKER_3>I mean, all the other actors, all the other.
00:46:52.347 --> 00:46:56.087
<ASHLEY>And also what I noticed was they were only women in the cast.
00:46:56.087 --> 00:46:56.827
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:46:56.827 --> 00:46:57.827
<ASHLEY>Which I didn't notice.
00:46:57.827 --> 00:47:01.047
<ASHLEY>There were only two men and I think they were on the voicemails.
00:47:01.047 --> 00:47:02.187
<BOBBY>Huh.
00:47:02.187 --> 00:47:02.767
<BOBBY>Very interesting.
00:47:02.767 --> 00:47:05.287
<ASHLEY>One was a brother and I think one was her dad.
00:47:05.287 --> 00:47:06.107
<BOBBY>Very interesting.
00:47:06.647 --> 00:47:07.687
<BOBBY>I didn't remember that.
00:47:07.687 --> 00:47:09.487
<ASHLEY>And I didn't realize that either.
00:47:09.487 --> 00:47:14.267
<BOBBY>I just thought because the movie was so contained, I wasn't even paying attention to who the characters were.
00:47:14.267 --> 00:47:15.187
<ASHLEY>I wasn't either.
00:47:15.187 --> 00:47:17.247
<ASHLEY>But all the other characters, they were good.
00:47:17.247 --> 00:47:23.247
<ASHLEY>I mean, no one did anything that felt abnormal or unbelievable.
00:47:23.247 --> 00:47:23.487
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:47:23.487 --> 00:47:27.927
<BOBBY>But that's the that's the part with acting is that it's not supposed to be.
00:47:27.927 --> 00:47:28.407
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:47:28.407 --> 00:47:28.647
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:47:28.647 --> 00:47:29.247
<ASHLEY>That's what I mean.
00:47:29.387 --> 00:47:30.287
<ASHLEY>They were good.
00:47:30.287 --> 00:47:31.027
<BOBBY>They were fine.
00:47:31.027 --> 00:47:32.587
<ASHLEY>I'd say they supported well.
00:47:32.587 --> 00:47:34.467
<ASHLEY>They were well supported cast.
00:47:34.467 --> 00:47:35.827
<ASHLEY>It was a well supported cast.
00:47:35.827 --> 00:47:36.787
<BOBBY>Well supported.
00:47:36.787 --> 00:47:40.187
<ASHLEY>The only thing is, I think her name is Rachel.
00:47:41.267 --> 00:47:46.107
<ASHLEY>Rachel Blanchard and she was her sister, Lainey.
00:47:46.107 --> 00:47:51.547
<ASHLEY>When we were watching it, we saw her and I'm like, oh my gosh, that girl is Alicia Silverstone.
00:47:51.607 --> 00:47:52.827
<ASHLEY>You're like, it's not.
00:47:52.827 --> 00:47:53.307
<ASHLEY>It's not.
00:47:53.307 --> 00:47:57.867
<ASHLEY>I'm like, I guarantee that is the girl in Clueless.
00:47:57.867 --> 00:48:00.707
<ASHLEY>I looked her up because I'm like, I am going mad.
00:48:00.707 --> 00:48:04.767
<ASHLEY>It was not Alicia Silverstone obviously because her name is Rachel Blanchard.
00:48:04.967 --> 00:48:13.427
<ASHLEY>But she was in the TV show Clueless from 1996 to 1999 with Stacey Dash.
00:48:13.427 --> 00:48:15.047
<BOBBY>They had one of those two?
00:48:15.047 --> 00:48:15.727
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:48:15.727 --> 00:48:16.407
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:48:16.407 --> 00:48:20.807
<ASHLEY>So I was like, and some other people, obviously not Brittany Murphy, but some other girls.
00:48:20.807 --> 00:48:22.547
<ASHLEY>And I was like, that is so crazy.
00:48:22.547 --> 00:48:23.387
<BOBBY>Wow.
00:48:23.387 --> 00:48:24.247
<BOBBY>Awesome.
00:48:24.247 --> 00:48:24.887
<BOBBY>There you go.
00:48:24.887 --> 00:48:27.947
<BOBBY>A little bit of nostalgia for you.
00:48:28.007 --> 00:48:28.807
<BOBBY>Yes.
00:48:28.807 --> 00:48:29.007
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:48:29.007 --> 00:48:37.067
<BOBBY>I think that there was a little bit that was left out on the table in this movie, especially with the writing and dialogue.
00:48:37.067 --> 00:48:40.147
<BOBBY>I thought it was a little bit murky.
00:48:40.147 --> 00:48:48.327
<BOBBY>It's always kind of cool for an audience, kind of like weapons or sixth sense to try to figure out what's going on.
00:48:48.327 --> 00:48:55.027
<BOBBY>But when you leave them with too much, yeah, it's kind of like, what was the point of me watching this?
00:48:55.027 --> 00:48:57.007
<BOBBY>Obviously there's something that's in it.
00:48:57.607 --> 00:48:57.987
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:48:57.987 --> 00:48:59.187
<BOBBY>For me to learn.
00:48:59.187 --> 00:49:03.207
<ASHLEY>And I have a lot of viewer reviews that said that too.
00:49:03.207 --> 00:49:16.627
<BOBBY>Yeah, I can definitely see it because for me, I wrote in here that it's a little too vague and could have also succeeded as like a black box play because it was so contained.
00:49:16.627 --> 00:49:17.227
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:49:17.227 --> 00:49:23.987
<BOBBY>And there wasn't a whole lot of interaction or dialogue going on unless it was the inner dialogue with the main character.
00:49:23.987 --> 00:49:24.467
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:49:24.467 --> 00:49:28.887
<BOBBY>It could have easily been on a place stage and you could have seen it there.
00:49:28.887 --> 00:49:29.327
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:49:29.327 --> 00:49:32.187
<BOBBY>And it would have had the same kind of effect, at least for me.
00:49:32.187 --> 00:49:33.047
<ASHLEY>I agree.
00:49:33.047 --> 00:49:35.307
<ASHLEY>I do also agree that it was vague.
00:49:35.307 --> 00:49:40.127
<ASHLEY>And I think it wasn't even that the metaphor was nuanced.
00:49:40.127 --> 00:49:41.827
<ASHLEY>It wasn't even nuanced.
00:49:41.827 --> 00:49:45.487
<ASHLEY>It was literally nothing.
00:49:45.487 --> 00:49:47.747
<ASHLEY>It's like this.
00:49:47.747 --> 00:49:48.147
<ASHLEY>Okay.
00:49:48.147 --> 00:49:49.487
<ASHLEY>This is how I kind of see it.
00:49:49.487 --> 00:49:53.327
<ASHLEY>This is the art that came out of the artist.
00:49:53.327 --> 00:49:58.007
<ASHLEY>But the art doesn't explain the emotions or explain the story.
00:49:58.007 --> 00:50:03.707
<ASHLEY>You have to explain it to yourself or however you interpret that art.
00:50:03.707 --> 00:50:09.887
<ASHLEY>But when you have a story, you can't, I mean, people are expecting words.
00:50:09.887 --> 00:50:13.447
<ASHLEY>People are expecting you to kind of elaborate a little bit.
00:50:13.447 --> 00:50:18.447
<ASHLEY>Like an art piece can be interpreted any way you want because it's visual.
00:50:18.467 --> 00:50:19.127
<BOBBY>Right.
00:50:19.127 --> 00:50:27.747
<ASHLEY>But this is not only visual, it's also like, then do something that was, I don't know, I think it was just kind of lost.
00:50:27.747 --> 00:50:29.647
<ASHLEY>The dialogue was fine.
00:50:29.647 --> 00:50:31.607
<ASHLEY>There wasn't a lot of dialogue.
00:50:31.607 --> 00:50:40.867
<BOBBY>I wrote in there that it was, even with that, because I agree with you, where you're talking about when people get lost, I don't think the dialogue really moved this story forward at all.
00:50:40.947 --> 00:50:43.607
<BOBBY>Because there was no explanation.
00:50:43.607 --> 00:50:46.407
<BOBBY>There was no rhyme or reason as to what was going on.
00:50:46.407 --> 00:50:46.907
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:50:46.907 --> 00:50:53.267
<BOBBY>And so I think that was the part that I'm like, there's just, there's so much that's left there.
00:50:53.367 --> 00:50:53.847
<BOBBY>What do they say?
00:50:53.887 --> 00:50:56.307
<BOBBY>There's so much meat left on the bone.
00:50:56.307 --> 00:50:59.587
<BOBBY>And you kind of just threw it out there for people to eat up.
00:50:59.587 --> 00:51:01.907
<BOBBY>And I don't think that you really got your point across.
00:51:01.907 --> 00:51:02.407
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:51:02.407 --> 00:51:05.307
<ASHLEY>And they were like little clues.
00:51:05.307 --> 00:51:11.107
<ASHLEY>And I'm glad that you brought that up because when you were talking about what other people said, I was like, oh, that makes sense.
00:51:11.107 --> 00:51:16.007
<ASHLEY>Because in my notes that I forgot I took notes during the movie.
00:51:16.007 --> 00:51:19.367
<ASHLEY>Obviously, I haven't referenced them today.
00:51:19.427 --> 00:51:24.127
<BOBBY>But well, by the way, I appreciate you giving me credit, but you're the one that said other people said.
00:51:24.127 --> 00:51:24.967
<ASHLEY>You said it.
00:51:24.967 --> 00:51:26.547
<BOBBY>No, I'm pretty sure you said it.
00:51:26.547 --> 00:51:27.667
<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:51:27.667 --> 00:51:28.267
<BOBBY>That's okay.
00:51:28.407 --> 00:51:30.247
<BOBBY>Because I was saying about one thing.
00:51:30.247 --> 00:51:32.547
<BOBBY>You're like, yeah, that's what a lot of people said.
00:51:32.547 --> 00:51:35.167
<ASHLEY>Oh, I meant viewers, like the audience.
00:51:35.167 --> 00:51:36.007
<BOBBY>Right.
00:51:36.007 --> 00:51:38.147
<BOBBY>Isn't that what you're referencing?
00:51:38.147 --> 00:51:41.447
<ASHLEY>No, no, I'm referencing the other like supported cast.
00:51:41.447 --> 00:51:42.587
<BOBBY>Oh, okay.
00:51:42.587 --> 00:51:44.487
<BOBBY>You're talking about the actors.
00:51:44.487 --> 00:51:45.847
<BOBBY>This is what the actors are saying.
00:51:45.847 --> 00:51:46.047
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:51:46.047 --> 00:51:49.067
<ASHLEY>In the writing, like what they said in the writing and dialogue.
00:51:49.307 --> 00:51:49.667
<BOBBY>Gotcha.
00:51:49.667 --> 00:51:50.607
<ASHLEY>Does that make sense?
00:51:50.607 --> 00:51:50.847
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:51:50.847 --> 00:51:52.367
<BOBBY>That's the reason why I got so confused.
00:51:52.367 --> 00:51:54.587
<BOBBY>I didn't understand because you said what I said.
00:51:54.587 --> 00:51:57.267
<BOBBY>And I'm like, you said something about people.
00:51:57.267 --> 00:51:58.527
<ASHLEY>And I thought you.
00:51:58.527 --> 00:51:58.787
<BOBBY>Right.
00:51:58.787 --> 00:52:03.327
<BOBBY>But before this whole thing, you're like, yeah, a lot of reviews said that.
00:52:03.327 --> 00:52:04.987
<BOBBY>And so I was like, well, I didn't.
00:52:04.987 --> 00:52:05.667
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:52:05.667 --> 00:52:08.207
<BOBBY>You said a lot of people said that.
00:52:08.207 --> 00:52:09.947
<BOBBY>You're like, you said a lot of people said that.
00:52:09.947 --> 00:52:11.827
<BOBBY>I'm like, I didn't say that at all.
00:52:11.827 --> 00:52:13.187
<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:52:13.187 --> 00:52:14.947
<ASHLEY>Well, I'm bringing up my notes.
00:52:14.947 --> 00:52:17.107
<ASHLEY>I apologize that I forgot about this earlier.
00:52:17.607 --> 00:52:21.127
<ASHLEY>But there were a couple of lines that stood out to me.
00:52:21.127 --> 00:52:30.467
<ASHLEY>One was, I don't know if that's what I wrote or, oh, I wrote down clues for myself, but none of it made sense.
00:52:30.467 --> 00:52:35.267
<ASHLEY>There were random things that people said like, oh, I was just trying to be nice.
00:52:35.267 --> 00:52:39.927
<ASHLEY>I think she was talking to her mom after she let the lady in, Kathryn Hunter.
00:52:40.727 --> 00:52:41.847
<ASHLEY>And her mom was on the phone.
00:52:41.847 --> 00:52:44.207
<ASHLEY>She was like, I was just trying to be nice.
00:52:44.207 --> 00:52:44.427
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:52:44.427 --> 00:52:50.707
<ASHLEY>And then her mom said something about, oh, yeah, well, our neighbor's out ever since her husband died.
00:52:50.707 --> 00:52:53.707
<ASHLEY>And there were only women in the movie.
00:52:53.707 --> 00:52:56.767
<ASHLEY>So I was like, well, maybe that means something.
00:52:56.767 --> 00:53:06.147
<ASHLEY>And then, and reading about it in behind and like all the director, writer interviews, he never mentioned anything to involve women.
00:53:06.147 --> 00:53:09.167
<ASHLEY>So why are all of these random things like that?
00:53:09.167 --> 00:53:12.447
<ASHLEY>I'm noticing none of this even meant anything.
00:53:12.447 --> 00:53:21.167
<BOBBY>I think it may be in this specific instance, it wasn't that it was necessarily supposed to be a female empowerment movie.
00:53:21.167 --> 00:53:27.827
<BOBBY>It might have just ended up happening that way, where it was, you know, yeah, and it could come from.
00:53:27.827 --> 00:53:30.827
<ASHLEY>And it's definitely not a female empowerment movie, but go on, go on.
00:53:31.047 --> 00:53:33.047
<BOBBY>Well, you're saying that it's only females in it.
00:53:33.047 --> 00:53:37.527
<BOBBY>So that's it's like, oh, well, somebody could have made a very specific choice.
00:53:37.527 --> 00:53:37.847
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:53:37.847 --> 00:53:38.467
<BOBBY>To do that.
00:53:38.467 --> 00:53:38.867
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:53:38.867 --> 00:53:50.287
<BOBBY>But what I what I would also say is that a lot of and I'm not trying to be please nobody take this is misogynistic or anything else like that, because this is not the way that it is.
00:53:50.287 --> 00:53:53.047
<BOBBY>But a lot more women have a lot more empathy.
00:53:53.047 --> 00:53:57.027
<BOBBY>So maybe a lot of guys would never open up the door.
00:53:57.027 --> 00:53:57.367
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:53:57.367 --> 00:53:58.507
<BOBBY>No matter what.
00:53:58.507 --> 00:53:59.047
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:53:59.047 --> 00:54:09.267
<BOBBY>And so but you have somebody who's there by themselves, a little bit vulnerable, a little bit alone in the world, which is kind of what the director talked about a lot more.
00:54:09.267 --> 00:54:17.127
<BOBBY>Maybe he felt like it would be more appropriate because women are so empathetic, especially to another woman character, right?
00:54:17.147 --> 00:54:18.487
<BOBBY>It wasn't a guy.
00:54:18.487 --> 00:54:19.107
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:54:19.107 --> 00:54:20.867
<BOBBY>Pounding on the door or anything else like that.
00:54:20.867 --> 00:54:21.387
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:54:21.387 --> 00:54:29.727
<BOBBY>Maybe it's just we recognize we recognize evil at a distance, but we don't recognize the own evil within ourselves.
00:54:30.827 --> 00:54:35.587
<BOBBY>So if there was a guy, if there was a guy pounding on the door, you would never open it up.
00:54:35.587 --> 00:54:41.387
<BOBBY>But if there was an old lady pounding on the door, you'd be like, oh, my gosh, let me get this woman in here.
00:54:41.387 --> 00:54:41.547
<BOBBY>OK.
00:54:41.887 --> 00:54:47.347
<BOBBY>But if they're both still evil, you just see evil in one way, but you don't see it in the other.
00:54:47.347 --> 00:54:48.687
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
00:54:48.687 --> 00:54:49.607
<BOBBY>And I don't know.
00:54:49.607 --> 00:54:51.067
<BOBBY>Obviously, he never said that.
00:54:51.067 --> 00:54:52.527
<ASHLEY>No, he never said it.
00:54:52.527 --> 00:54:55.247
<BOBBY>And you're the only person that I've seen online.
00:54:55.487 --> 00:54:57.087
<BOBBY>Anybody else that noticed that?
00:54:57.087 --> 00:54:58.887
<BOBBY>So mad props to you for being.
00:54:58.887 --> 00:55:00.107
<ASHLEY>I have no idea why.
00:55:00.107 --> 00:55:02.347
<ASHLEY>I didn't I didn't read this anywhere.
00:55:02.347 --> 00:55:04.827
<ASHLEY>In my notes, I was like, what is going on?
00:55:04.827 --> 00:55:07.287
<ASHLEY>OK, this girl's trying to be nice.
00:55:07.287 --> 00:55:09.347
<ASHLEY>She's at the beginning of the movie.
00:55:09.927 --> 00:55:18.767
<ASHLEY>The woman's getting all of these messages like, you haven't done this or you haven't been home or, oh, you have to make sure to follow up with this person.
00:55:18.787 --> 00:55:19.207
<ASHLEY>Right.
00:55:19.207 --> 00:55:22.427
<ASHLEY>And there's like dishes stacked in the sink.
00:55:22.427 --> 00:55:26.727
<ASHLEY>Oh, I know that you haven't gone back to us because you've been distracted.
00:55:26.727 --> 00:55:45.747
<ASHLEY>And so the whole time at the beginning, I was thinking, well, maybe this girl has depression or something because like her being quote, distracted was just when she decided that she was going to isolate herself from everyone and not be such a fucking people pleaser, like everyone wants her to be.
00:55:45.747 --> 00:55:47.867
<ASHLEY>And oh, you were distracted.
00:55:47.867 --> 00:55:49.867
<ASHLEY>You need to stop being distracted.
00:55:49.867 --> 00:55:51.967
<ASHLEY>Oh, you mean like thinking for myself?
00:55:51.967 --> 00:55:57.587
<ASHLEY>I mean, none of this actually mattered in the movie, but that's what my thought process was going through.
00:55:57.587 --> 00:55:57.927
<BOBBY>Nice.
00:55:58.087 --> 00:56:06.647
<ASHLEY>I was like, this girl is on the phone or pretending to be on the phone in an interview to go back to school.
00:56:06.647 --> 00:56:08.667
<ASHLEY>And they said, oh, well, why do you want to go back to school?
00:56:08.667 --> 00:56:11.167
<ASHLEY>Oh, it's because something I should do.
00:56:11.167 --> 00:56:13.987
<ASHLEY>And then she was second guessing herself because she was like, oh, yes.
00:56:13.987 --> 00:56:18.407
<ASHLEY>And, you know, I did this and I'm smart and blah, blah, blah.
00:56:18.407 --> 00:56:24.507
<ASHLEY>And then she second guesses herself and she goes, oh, I mean, that's not what a smart person would say.
00:56:24.607 --> 00:56:24.907
<BOBBY>Right.
00:56:24.907 --> 00:56:31.887
<ASHLEY>She just seems like she was very beaten down and like she was sick of being a people pleaser all the time.
00:56:31.887 --> 00:56:32.747
<BOBBY>Right.
00:56:32.747 --> 00:56:36.007
<ASHLEY>And none of that had anything to do with the movie at all.
00:56:36.007 --> 00:56:39.087
<BOBBY>Well, it did because you saw the movie through a different lens.
00:56:39.087 --> 00:56:43.127
<BOBBY>I wish that's the reason why in the writing and dialogue we got into it.
00:56:43.127 --> 00:56:45.827
<BOBBY>I wish they would have not left so much.
00:56:45.827 --> 00:56:48.727
<BOBBY>It's OK to leave a little bit to the audience, right?
00:56:48.727 --> 00:56:51.027
<BOBBY>To understand what's going on.
00:56:51.027 --> 00:56:51.267
<BOBBY>Right.
00:56:51.707 --> 00:56:54.507
<BOBBY>It's OK to throw a little bit out there.
00:56:54.507 --> 00:56:55.407
<BOBBY>Yeah.
00:56:55.407 --> 00:56:58.647
<BOBBY>But to make a piece of art to your...
00:56:58.647 --> 00:57:01.507
<BOBBY>Because I think that was a perfect analogy.
00:57:01.507 --> 00:57:07.167
<BOBBY>To make a piece of art that is completely open to interpretation.
00:57:07.167 --> 00:57:08.767
<BOBBY>I don't know how you sell that.
00:57:08.767 --> 00:57:14.827
<BOBBY>And I think that that's the reason why, you know, one of the movie facts said it moved opening dates.
00:57:14.827 --> 00:57:17.887
<BOBBY>And that's the reason why they just sent it to streaming.
00:57:17.887 --> 00:57:18.047
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:57:19.487 --> 00:57:26.927
<BOBBY>Because I don't know if any of the movie studios could get behind it enough to release it in theaters.
00:57:26.927 --> 00:57:33.167
<ASHLEY>It's like it needed more of a, I mean, the whole movie needed more of a backstory.
00:57:33.167 --> 00:57:33.867
<BOBBY>I agree.
00:57:33.867 --> 00:57:37.427
<ASHLEY>It's not even like the execution needed more of a backstory.
00:57:37.427 --> 00:57:43.467
<ASHLEY>I mean, I feel like he needed something even more just to create it.
00:57:43.467 --> 00:57:44.387
<BOBBY>Right.
00:57:44.387 --> 00:57:46.907
<BOBBY>Because you never know where that woman came from.
00:57:47.167 --> 00:57:48.367
<BOBBY>And dropped off the box.
00:57:48.367 --> 00:57:49.067
<ASHLEY>Yes.
00:57:49.067 --> 00:57:51.907
<BOBBY>And then all these other things that were going on.
00:57:51.907 --> 00:57:53.907
<BOBBY>And this is all stuff that you guys see in the preview.
00:57:53.907 --> 00:57:56.647
<BOBBY>So we're not spoiling anything with that.
00:57:56.647 --> 00:58:00.327
<BOBBY>But it just, there was so much that was out there.
00:58:00.327 --> 00:58:02.927
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
00:58:02.927 --> 00:58:06.647
<ASHLEY>And spoiler alert, I'm just going to say another thing.
00:58:06.647 --> 00:58:14.947
<ASHLEY>In the writing and dialogue, when she went to the neighbor's house, it made it seem like, oh, so I'm in a horrible place.
00:58:15.147 --> 00:58:16.987
<ASHLEY>I've never asked anyone for help.
00:58:16.987 --> 00:58:24.567
<ASHLEY>I've only isolated myself and become alone when I decide that I can't, like, be the person that everyone wants me to be.
00:58:24.567 --> 00:58:31.127
<ASHLEY>So the first time she gets help or tries to get for help, she calls her mom and her mom's like, you'll be fine.
00:58:31.127 --> 00:58:32.507
<v SPEAKER_3>Everything's okay.
00:58:32.507 --> 00:58:33.707
<BOBBY>Isn't her mom dead?
00:58:33.707 --> 00:58:34.387
<BOBBY>Isn't her mom dead?
00:58:34.387 --> 00:58:35.867
<ASHLEY>No, her dad is.
00:58:35.867 --> 00:58:37.867
<BOBBY>Oh, her mom was alive?
00:58:37.867 --> 00:58:39.607
<ASHLEY>I think she was house sitting for her mom.
00:58:39.607 --> 00:58:40.847
<ASHLEY>Oh no, it was her sister's house.
00:58:40.847 --> 00:58:42.727
<ASHLEY>Anyway, yeah, her mom was alive.
00:58:43.907 --> 00:58:44.367
<ASHLEY>I think.
00:58:44.387 --> 00:58:50.287
<BOBBY>Well, they also said that she murdered her niece, and that's the reason why she was so scared.
00:58:50.287 --> 00:58:54.467
<BOBBY>Then her sister said, oh, you're here and she said, don't let me in or whatever was weird.
00:58:54.467 --> 00:58:56.587
<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah, there was a weird time warp thing.
00:58:56.587 --> 00:58:57.387
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
00:58:57.387 --> 00:59:07.947
<ASHLEY>But when she went to the neighbor after asking her mom for help and her mom completely dismissing her like a mental health issue, the neighbor was like, oh, I mean, there's so much.
00:59:07.947 --> 00:59:08.527
<ASHLEY>Can you help me?
00:59:08.527 --> 00:59:09.027
<ASHLEY>Can you help me?
00:59:09.027 --> 00:59:09.607
<ASHLEY>Can you help me?
00:59:09.607 --> 00:59:10.287
<ASHLEY>She's on the phone.
00:59:10.447 --> 00:59:13.507
<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, well, when can you pick up this from the market?
00:59:13.507 --> 00:59:16.787
<ASHLEY>I mean, I don't exactly remember what she was talking about, but it was like that.
00:59:16.787 --> 00:59:23.907
<v SPEAKER_3>It was like, could you tell your brother to stop putting cottage cheese in the fridge on the top shelf?
00:59:23.907 --> 00:59:25.227
<ASHLEY>It was like the dumbest thing.
00:59:25.227 --> 00:59:28.327
<ASHLEY>I can't remember what it was, but she's like, I'm on the phone.
00:59:28.427 --> 00:59:30.627
<ASHLEY>This is very important.
00:59:30.627 --> 00:59:35.407
<ASHLEY>And then the neighbor said, oh, see something, say something.
00:59:35.407 --> 00:59:38.287
<ASHLEY>And then she said, we are everywhere and we are nowhere.
00:59:38.787 --> 00:59:42.047
<ASHLEY>I was like, these have to mean something.
00:59:42.047 --> 00:59:47.047
<ASHLEY>And it never was referenced ever again at all.
00:59:47.047 --> 00:59:51.367
<ASHLEY>Like I'm writing all these notes, like, oh, this is a psychotic episode.
00:59:51.367 --> 00:59:53.307
<ASHLEY>She's, you know, thinking about different things.
00:59:53.307 --> 00:59:54.187
<ASHLEY>She's finding help.
00:59:54.187 --> 00:59:55.347
<ASHLEY>She's trying to get answers.
00:59:55.347 --> 00:59:59.967
<ASHLEY>All these people are representatives of people like in the world that don't believe in mental health.
00:59:59.967 --> 01:00:03.187
<ASHLEY>And none of this has anything to do with what the director writer wanted.
01:00:05.167 --> 01:00:06.107
<BOBBY>Yeah, I agree with you.
01:00:07.907 --> 01:00:12.927
<BOBBY>I can see all of the signs that you put out there because see something, say something.
01:00:13.487 --> 01:00:35.727
<BOBBY>Like if you are seeing that somebody's having some kind of psychotic break, or if you know that something is going on, that somebody is going through a crazy amount of depression, and you can see that they're taking a mood swing, then you should say something either to them, to someone they love, to somebody else like that, to say, hey, I don't know if this is really going to turn out that well.
01:00:35.727 --> 01:00:43.867
<ASHLEY>And for me, when I heard her say that, the way she said it made it sound like it was one of those phrases that people say.
01:00:43.867 --> 01:00:44.167
<BOBBY>Right.
01:00:44.167 --> 01:00:50.047
<BOBBY>And then to the other portion was, we are everywhere and we're nowhere.
01:00:50.047 --> 01:01:02.327
<BOBBY>To me, in my mind, if you are still following that path and you want to go down that linear portion, see something, say something, we're nowhere, we're everywhere, means the triggers that people have on a day-to-day basis.
01:01:02.327 --> 01:01:02.927
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:01:02.927 --> 01:01:11.407
<BOBBY>And so it's to you and I, we might not see something that might trigger somebody else and their mental health episode.
01:01:11.407 --> 01:01:13.407
<BOBBY>So I'm not 100% sure.
01:01:13.407 --> 01:01:15.967
<BOBBY>To your point, the director never talked about that.
01:01:16.067 --> 01:01:22.767
<BOBBY>He did talk about anxiety and he did talk about depression and panic attacks.
01:01:22.767 --> 01:01:25.007
<BOBBY>So maybe there is some of that in there.
01:01:26.027 --> 01:01:28.947
<BOBBY>But yeah, specifically, he never came out and said that.
01:01:28.947 --> 01:01:34.087
<ASHLEY>And I like when you said the, we are everywhere, we are nowhere when it comes to triggers.
01:01:34.087 --> 01:01:39.127
<ASHLEY>Because I thought we are everywhere, yet we are nowhere as people in the world.
01:01:39.127 --> 01:01:42.267
<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, see something, say something, we are here to help.
01:01:42.267 --> 01:01:44.967
<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, ask me if you need anything.
01:01:44.967 --> 01:01:48.927
<ASHLEY>And then you actually ask those people and they're, they can't be bothered.
01:01:48.927 --> 01:01:50.087
<BOBBY>Are there not to be found?
01:01:50.087 --> 01:01:51.187
<ASHLEY>No, exactly.
01:01:51.187 --> 01:01:52.067
<v SPEAKER_3>We are everywhere.
01:01:52.167 --> 01:01:55.447
<v SPEAKER_3>Oh, help is everywhere, around every corner.
01:01:55.447 --> 01:02:09.287
<BOBBY>Just like if you go to beep and then you also go to beep and then you walk down the aisles and there's somebody there that's looking at you in your eyeballs and they could see that you need help with something and you throw up your hand and they act like they got a call.
01:02:09.287 --> 01:02:10.987
<BOBBY>Then they're around the edge.
01:02:10.987 --> 01:02:13.247
<BOBBY>And so you go to see them and they've disappeared.
01:02:13.247 --> 01:02:13.547
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:02:13.547 --> 01:02:14.487
<BOBBY>They're like smoke.
01:02:14.487 --> 01:02:15.347
<ASHLEY>Yep.
01:02:15.347 --> 01:02:16.587
<ASHLEY>We are everywhere and nowhere.
01:02:16.587 --> 01:02:18.267
<v SPEAKER_3>Help is everywhere.
01:02:18.267 --> 01:02:20.927
<ASHLEY>It's like on a recording, like a Black Mirror episode.
01:02:21.167 --> 01:02:21.527
<BOBBY>Right.
01:02:21.527 --> 01:02:23.667
<ASHLEY>See something, say something.
01:02:23.667 --> 01:02:25.767
<ASHLEY>Help is around every corner.
01:02:25.787 --> 01:02:26.227
<BOBBY>Right.
01:02:26.227 --> 01:02:27.647
<ASHLEY>It's like no, it's not.
01:02:27.667 --> 01:02:28.287
<BOBBY>Right.
01:02:28.287 --> 01:02:31.627
<ASHLEY>But again, none of that was mentioned.
01:02:31.627 --> 01:02:34.387
<ASHLEY>So those are our interpretations.
01:02:34.387 --> 01:02:35.167
<BOBBY>You've got it.
01:02:35.167 --> 01:02:37.907
<ASHLEY>Back to the spoiler-free edition.
01:02:37.907 --> 01:02:41.327
<ASHLEY>I guess spoilers are way more fun.
01:02:41.327 --> 01:02:42.887
<ASHLEY>They're way more fun.
01:02:42.887 --> 01:02:44.327
<ASHLEY>I see what they mean.
01:02:44.327 --> 01:02:44.727
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:02:44.727 --> 01:02:46.507
<ASHLEY>It's a lot more interesting.
01:02:49.627 --> 01:02:51.907
<ASHLEY>I didn't realize how interesting it was.
01:02:52.947 --> 01:02:54.387
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:02:54.387 --> 01:02:58.627
<ASHLEY>Oh, for direction, I just, I mean, like everything else.
01:02:58.627 --> 01:03:00.207
<BOBBY>It's direction and visuals now.
01:03:00.207 --> 01:03:01.987
<ASHLEY>Oh, direction and, oh, thank God.
01:03:01.987 --> 01:03:02.867
<ASHLEY>Thank God.
01:03:02.867 --> 01:03:04.447
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:03:04.447 --> 01:03:14.667
<ASHLEY>For direction and visuals, because the dialogue and the story didn't have a whole lot of answers for the audience.
01:03:14.667 --> 01:03:16.327
<BOBBY>Well, the guy who wrote it also directed it.
01:03:16.327 --> 01:03:17.307
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:03:17.307 --> 01:03:26.447
<ASHLEY>So I figured since he didn't put it in the writing or the story, maybe he could have used visual representations for the metaphors, but he didn't.
01:03:26.447 --> 01:03:26.887
<BOBBY>No.
01:03:26.887 --> 01:03:27.467
<ASHLEY>No.
01:03:27.467 --> 01:03:29.587
<ASHLEY>So I was sad.
01:03:29.587 --> 01:03:30.887
<ASHLEY>I didn't like that.
01:03:30.887 --> 01:03:33.147
<ASHLEY>I mean, the visuals were fine.
01:03:33.147 --> 01:03:33.607
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:03:33.607 --> 01:03:46.467
<ASHLEY>I think he could have done a better job with the visual representation of a metaphor, possibly, to help the audience better understand the point of the story.
01:03:46.467 --> 01:03:46.747
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:03:46.747 --> 01:03:54.467
<BOBBY>Because what you were saying was you were seeing a lot of visual clues, but they were never really actually mentioned later on.
01:03:54.467 --> 01:03:59.687
<BOBBY>And in any of the interviews, he didn't say, oh, I intentionally meant to do that.
01:03:59.687 --> 01:03:59.847
<ASHLEY>No.
01:03:59.847 --> 01:04:04.367
<ASHLEY>I think I read like three or four different interviews on different websites.
01:04:04.367 --> 01:04:05.407
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:04:05.407 --> 01:04:08.807
<ASHLEY>Like, remember the key that she threw up?
01:04:08.867 --> 01:04:09.267
<BOBBY>Yes.
01:04:09.267 --> 01:04:11.427
<ASHLEY>What did that open?
01:04:11.427 --> 01:04:11.967
<ASHLEY>Didn't that?
01:04:11.967 --> 01:04:14.727
<ASHLEY>Did that open like a door somewhere?
01:04:14.727 --> 01:04:15.507
<ASHLEY>Like, no.
01:04:15.687 --> 01:04:17.047
<ASHLEY>Like, why did she throw it up?
01:04:17.047 --> 01:04:18.067
<ASHLEY>What did that represent?
01:04:18.067 --> 01:04:19.907
<ASHLEY>What did the vomit like?
01:04:20.087 --> 01:04:22.867
<ASHLEY>And that scene went on for so long.
01:04:22.867 --> 01:04:26.127
<ASHLEY>Like, did she really need to try to throw up?
01:04:26.127 --> 01:04:31.267
<ASHLEY>She made me want to throw up because she was dry heaving for so long.
01:04:31.267 --> 01:04:33.047
<BOBBY>Did it open the box?
01:04:33.047 --> 01:04:34.627
<ASHLEY>No, because the box didn't need a key.
01:04:35.247 --> 01:04:39.027
<BOBBY>OK, I think it opened something like a closet or like a stairs or something.
01:04:39.027 --> 01:04:45.227
<ASHLEY>No, I think it was upstairs in her broom, like in her room or her dad's, like, box of pictures or something.
01:04:45.227 --> 01:04:47.207
<BOBBY>Maybe it was a box of pictures thing.
01:04:47.207 --> 01:04:49.027
<BOBBY>But like, well, she was trying to.
01:04:49.427 --> 01:04:50.187
<BOBBY>I have no idea.
01:04:50.187 --> 01:04:52.527
<ASHLEY>Does it mean like, oh, the key is inside you?
01:04:52.527 --> 01:04:53.947
<BOBBY>No, I think it was something.
01:04:53.947 --> 01:04:58.267
<BOBBY>It was something more like she didn't know what she loved or hated.
01:04:58.267 --> 01:05:00.647
<BOBBY>So it made her she was like, oh, I'm going to tell the police.
01:05:00.647 --> 01:05:04.087
<BOBBY>And then she threw up the key that would have done something else.
01:05:04.367 --> 01:05:05.007
<BOBBY>I don't know.
01:05:05.007 --> 01:05:08.547
<BOBBY>I honestly cannot tell you because I don't think they used it again.
01:05:08.547 --> 01:05:10.467
<ASHLEY>No, no.
01:05:10.467 --> 01:05:12.067
<v SPEAKER_3>See, like there are these things.
01:05:12.167 --> 01:05:14.227
<v SPEAKER_3>It's like, it's so interesting.
01:05:14.227 --> 01:05:16.147
<ASHLEY>Yes, the visuals were great.
01:05:16.147 --> 01:05:19.467
<ASHLEY>The direction I think that throwing up scene went on a little too long.
01:05:19.467 --> 01:05:23.687
<ASHLEY>I mean, it was very accurate to normal timing of it happening.
01:05:23.687 --> 01:05:27.867
<ASHLEY>Yeah, but I don't think the audience needed to see Dry Heaves for so long.
01:05:27.867 --> 01:05:28.327
<BOBBY>I agree.
01:05:28.507 --> 01:05:30.147
<ASHLEY>It was a little too much for me.
01:05:30.147 --> 01:05:33.947
<ASHLEY>Yeah, but I mean, she did a fantastic job and that's why it was too much.
01:05:34.607 --> 01:05:37.027
<ASHLEY>Yeah, but no one ever went back to that.
01:05:37.027 --> 01:05:37.587
<BOBBY>No.
01:05:37.587 --> 01:05:41.687
<ASHLEY>So they had great visuals in the movie, but nothing was connected to anything.
01:05:41.687 --> 01:05:42.067
<BOBBY>Right.
01:05:42.067 --> 01:05:47.867
<ASHLEY>It's like, oh, wow, that's a really cool, like it must be some kind of symbolism.
01:05:47.867 --> 01:05:50.507
<ASHLEY>And then it was never referenced again.
01:05:50.507 --> 01:05:50.927
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:05:50.927 --> 01:05:52.747
<ASHLEY>And none of them were connected.
01:05:52.747 --> 01:05:54.667
<BOBBY>No, I completely agree with you.
01:05:54.927 --> 01:06:02.827
<BOBBY>I said that there really wasn't a whole lot of direction to give because there wasn't a whole lot for the actors to interact with.
01:06:02.827 --> 01:06:03.087
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:06:03.447 --> 01:06:06.567
<BOBBY>It was more of the dialogue and those kinds of things.
01:06:06.567 --> 01:06:12.907
<BOBBY>So I was like, I don't really know what I would have if we were in our old way that we used to do things.
01:06:12.907 --> 01:06:22.747
<BOBBY>I would probably give them the direction of one because I don't know what the direction was other than dark and foreboding and do that.
01:06:22.747 --> 01:06:30.607
<BOBBY>And additionally, with the visuals, much like we've seen in the past couple of years, we've been transitioning into darkness.
01:06:31.047 --> 01:06:38.287
<BOBBY>So very dark, the jump scares or the things that were in there that you can see in the previews, fine.
01:06:38.287 --> 01:06:41.727
<BOBBY>But I didn't really take anything away from it visually.
01:06:41.727 --> 01:06:45.507
<BOBBY>It wasn't visually stunning or anything else like that.
01:06:45.507 --> 01:06:48.687
<BOBBY>I know that there were some practical effects that looked pretty nice.
01:06:48.687 --> 01:06:55.067
<BOBBY>And you mentioned the young lady that won a couple of awards or has done some movies for the Makeup Effects and the FX.
01:06:55.067 --> 01:06:56.007
<ASHLEY>Oh, the FX artist.
01:06:56.007 --> 01:06:59.767
<ASHLEY>Yeah, she's worked on a couple other prominent films and TV shows.
01:06:59.767 --> 01:07:09.047
<BOBBY>So in those scenes where it gets its R rating from, where it says bloody, I can definitely see that.
01:07:09.047 --> 01:07:14.187
<BOBBY>But outside of that, it was just you were staring at a screen for quite some time.
01:07:14.187 --> 01:07:17.627
<BOBBY>I don't know if it really took it over the top for me, at least.
01:07:17.627 --> 01:07:28.567
<ASHLEY>Well, like some of the movies that we've watched recently, or I mean ever, but it's like they tried so hard to get it to be an hour and 38 minutes.
01:07:28.567 --> 01:07:33.487
<ASHLEY>But there were a lot of scenes that were like, okay, come on, come on, come on, come on.
01:07:33.487 --> 01:07:33.827
<BOBBY>Right.
01:07:33.827 --> 01:07:38.527
<ASHLEY>Like I thought some of them, because she was going on an interview or whatever.
01:07:38.527 --> 01:07:40.187
<ASHLEY>She was anyway, she was in her room.
01:07:40.187 --> 01:07:41.507
<ASHLEY>She was changing.
01:07:41.507 --> 01:07:43.047
<ASHLEY>I don't think that gives anything away.
01:07:43.047 --> 01:07:44.407
<BOBBY>I don't think so.
01:07:44.407 --> 01:07:52.327
<ASHLEY>But we didn't need to see her try on every outfit and look at it, because if there were any jump scares, it was like after the scene.
01:07:52.327 --> 01:07:52.747
<BOBBY>Right.
01:07:52.747 --> 01:08:03.887
<ASHLEY>It wasn't, I mean, there were a couple jump scares throughout, but not like, not enough to, to warrant the slow scenes, in quotes, to be as long as they were.
01:08:03.887 --> 01:08:05.447
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:08:05.447 --> 01:08:06.227
<BOBBY>No, I agree.
01:08:06.227 --> 01:08:18.467
<BOBBY>I think some of these things, some of these movies that are out there today, like what we've been talking about, maybe they should just be an hour, a series or something like that, or like a collection of stories.
01:08:18.467 --> 01:08:20.407
<BOBBY>Maybe that would make it a little bit better.
01:08:20.407 --> 01:08:20.707
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:08:20.707 --> 01:08:28.347
<BOBBY>Because stretching out those scenes, especially, you'll see this in the previews, she's standing in the street looking around.
01:08:28.347 --> 01:08:29.587
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:08:29.587 --> 01:08:30.847
<BOBBY>I don't know if you need to do that.
01:08:30.847 --> 01:08:34.147
<BOBBY>I don't know if you need to get ready for two or three minutes.
01:08:34.147 --> 01:08:35.647
<BOBBY>I mean, those things add up.
01:08:35.647 --> 01:08:39.607
<ASHLEY>Yeah, because we never see the next day, so we're never going to see her use these outfits.
01:08:39.627 --> 01:08:40.227
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:08:40.227 --> 01:08:41.427
<ASHLEY>What's the point?
01:08:41.427 --> 01:08:42.187
<BOBBY>Right.
01:08:42.187 --> 01:08:44.247
<BOBBY>Now, I hear you completely.
01:08:44.447 --> 01:08:55.467
<ASHLEY>And to be completely honest, I think if each scene were shorter and the movie was, say, 58 minutes, you shave, what, 30 minutes off of it.
01:08:55.467 --> 01:08:56.127
<BOBBY>Right.
01:08:56.127 --> 01:08:56.947
<ASHLEY>No, that'd be 100.
01:08:56.947 --> 01:08:58.527
<ASHLEY>No, that'd be 38.
01:08:58.527 --> 01:08:58.807
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:08:58.807 --> 01:09:00.707
<BOBBY>No, it would be an hour.
01:09:00.707 --> 01:09:02.087
<ASHLEY>Yeah, let's just say it's an hour.
01:09:02.087 --> 01:09:02.827
<v SPEAKER_4>Right.
01:09:02.827 --> 01:09:13.727
<ASHLEY>If the movie was an hour and all of those fluff scenes, I guess, got shortened, I think the audience would have had a much better impression of the movie.
01:09:13.727 --> 01:09:15.127
<BOBBY>Not trying to throw this out there.
01:09:15.127 --> 01:09:21.507
<BOBBY>We don't want to jam it down your throats, but if this was a Black Mirror episode, I think it would have been much more well executed.
01:09:21.507 --> 01:09:22.387
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:09:22.387 --> 01:09:26.667
<BOBBY>And I think it would have actually been like, oh, wow, there's a lot of stuff going on in here.
01:09:26.667 --> 01:09:35.087
<ASHLEY>Yeah, because if things were more fast paced, some of the scenes weren't so slow and they still didn't get to the point like how it was.
01:09:35.087 --> 01:09:39.327
<ASHLEY>If the story was exactly the same, the writing was exactly the same, it was just sped up.
01:09:39.327 --> 01:09:39.567
<BOBBY>Right.
01:09:39.847 --> 01:09:47.507
<ASHLEY>I don't think it would really get bad reviews with Black Mirror either because even if it had no point, it meant for you to think about it.
01:09:47.507 --> 01:09:55.467
<BOBBY>Well, and it would have cut out exactly to what you're saying, would have cut out some of those fluff scenes, some of those scenes for people to take in.
01:09:55.467 --> 01:10:04.647
<BOBBY>I mean, it's encouraging you to take your own interpretation with it and how life works in certain ways, but it would have cut down on that fluff.
01:10:04.647 --> 01:10:09.747
<BOBBY>And I think it probably would have been a little bit more well received, which leads me into the overall.
01:10:09.747 --> 01:10:09.927
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:10:17.232 --> 01:10:18.852
<BOBBY>I gave it a 2.8.
01:10:18.852 --> 01:10:20.332
<ASHLEY>Oh, okay.
01:10:20.332 --> 01:10:27.152
<BOBBY>And I said I would never watch it again, because I think it was too smart for its own good.
01:10:27.152 --> 01:10:42.292
<BOBBY>Exactly what we were just talking about, which I thought was a cool transition into what I thought about the movie, which was you can't give the audience that much creativity in their own mind, because then it's just like reading a book.
01:10:42.292 --> 01:10:47.912
<BOBBY>I mean, you could have easily read that book and come away with the same kind of feeling.
01:10:47.912 --> 01:10:51.132
<BOBBY>And I don't think that's what the director was going for.
01:10:51.132 --> 01:10:53.152
<BOBBY>I think there was something more there.
01:10:53.152 --> 01:10:56.212
<BOBBY>I just wish that he had done a little bit better job doing that.
01:10:56.212 --> 01:11:00.912
<BOBBY>I said if you have Paramount Plus, watch it once.
01:11:00.912 --> 01:11:05.032
<BOBBY>If you don't, hopefully none of these companies get mad at us.
01:11:05.032 --> 01:11:06.532
<BOBBY>I wouldn't pay for it.
01:11:06.532 --> 01:11:08.392
<ASHLEY>I would not pay for it.
01:11:08.392 --> 01:11:16.952
<ASHLEY>If you have Paramount Plus, watch it, because then you can see what we're talking about and you can listen to the extended version.
01:11:16.952 --> 01:11:21.912
<ASHLEY>You can see how our ideas might relate to some of yours based on what happens in the movie.
01:11:21.912 --> 01:11:22.612
<BOBBY>Right.
01:11:22.612 --> 01:11:29.472
<ASHLEY>I said I would give it a 2.95 out of 5 for watchability.
01:11:29.472 --> 01:11:30.352
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:11:30.352 --> 01:11:37.152
<ASHLEY>But I would give it a 4 out of 5 for giving you the feeling of what it's like to have a mental illness.
01:11:42.412 --> 01:11:43.812
<ASHLEY>Does that kind of make sense?
01:11:43.812 --> 01:11:45.452
<BOBBY>I mean, why are you saying that?
01:11:45.452 --> 01:11:45.872
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:11:45.872 --> 01:11:46.492
<ASHLEY>So I'm going to...
01:11:46.492 --> 01:11:51.392
<BOBBY>Because now you're going to have to be a little bit vulnerable with our audience.
01:11:51.392 --> 01:11:52.372
<ASHLEY>Oh, man.
01:11:52.372 --> 01:11:53.832
<ASHLEY>Ashley being vulnerable.
01:11:53.832 --> 01:11:54.692
<ASHLEY>Come on now.
01:11:54.692 --> 01:11:55.392
<BOBBY>I know.
01:11:55.392 --> 01:11:55.712
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:11:55.712 --> 01:11:57.232
<ASHLEY>So I'm going to read you what I wrote.
01:11:57.232 --> 01:11:57.432
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:11:57.432 --> 01:12:00.472
<ASHLEY>Because I like just wrote my own whatever.
01:12:00.472 --> 01:12:01.672
<v SPEAKER_4>Right.
01:12:01.672 --> 01:12:06.652
<ASHLEY>I said, Ultimately, I love the uncomfortability of the audience experience.
01:12:07.712 --> 01:12:12.332
<ASHLEY>It really gives the audience an idea of what living with a mental illness feels like.
01:12:12.332 --> 01:12:14.792
<ASHLEY>However, I didn't like the execution.
01:12:14.792 --> 01:12:15.972
<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
01:12:15.972 --> 01:12:27.672
<ASHLEY>It was slow and there were a lot of open ended scenarios and things that weren't explained, which I can relate to with a mental illness because there aren't explanations to the things you're feeling.
01:12:28.692 --> 01:12:29.012
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:12:29.012 --> 01:12:31.712
<BOBBY>And what do you mean by that?
01:12:31.712 --> 01:12:34.552
<ASHLEY>Specifically, I have bipolar disorder.
01:12:34.552 --> 01:12:38.992
<ASHLEY>So a lot of times I'll feel like out of control.
01:12:39.932 --> 01:12:44.292
<ASHLEY>Just in one moment and it's completely unexplained.
01:12:44.292 --> 01:12:46.352
<ASHLEY>I have no idea why I feel this way.
01:12:46.352 --> 01:12:47.692
<ASHLEY>There's no catalyst.
01:12:47.692 --> 01:12:49.372
<ASHLEY>It feels like there's no end in sight.
01:12:49.372 --> 01:12:51.232
<ASHLEY>You have no idea why it's here.
01:12:51.232 --> 01:12:55.032
<ASHLEY>You have no idea what's going on and you're completely confused.
01:12:55.032 --> 01:12:59.112
<ASHLEY>And I feel like this movie did a good job.
01:12:59.112 --> 01:13:02.132
<ASHLEY>I can only speak on the things that I have.
01:13:02.132 --> 01:13:05.432
<ASHLEY>So like bipolar is one thing that I'm diagnosed with.
01:13:05.432 --> 01:13:07.732
<ASHLEY>So I can speak on that, but I can't speak on different.
01:13:08.012 --> 01:13:09.212
<BOBBY>Bipolar one or two.
01:13:09.212 --> 01:13:10.372
<ASHLEY>Bipolar two.
01:13:10.372 --> 01:13:14.012
<BOBBY>I just, people are going to, because you said diagnosed with.
01:13:14.012 --> 01:13:15.232
<ASHLEY>Oh yes.
01:13:15.232 --> 01:13:24.712
<ASHLEY>So just in case anyone needs to know, ADHD, anxiety, OCD, bipolar, you know, the whole gambit.
01:13:24.712 --> 01:13:26.492
<ASHLEY>But anyway, today...
01:13:26.492 --> 01:13:28.212
<BOBBY>Well, that's looking at you, huh?
01:13:28.212 --> 01:13:30.772
<ASHLEY>The one thing, one thing.
01:13:30.772 --> 01:13:32.172
<ASHLEY>Oh, just call me the queen.
01:13:32.172 --> 01:13:35.432
<BOBBY>Sorry, I was trying to do my best gambit impression from Deadpool.
01:13:35.432 --> 01:13:36.452
<ASHLEY>Oh, I don't know what that is.
01:13:36.452 --> 01:13:36.832
<BOBBY>Yes, you do.
01:13:37.032 --> 01:13:37.272
<BOBBY>I do.
01:13:37.492 --> 01:13:41.292
<BOBBY>Yeah, it was Channing Tatum's character in Deadpool.
01:13:42.692 --> 01:13:44.392
<BOBBY>Oh, you're looking at Guzmo Chari.
01:13:44.392 --> 01:13:44.932
<BOBBY>Look at this.
01:13:44.932 --> 01:13:45.612
<ASHLEY>Oh, yeah.
01:13:45.612 --> 01:13:47.552
<BOBBY>You got the whole gambit, huh?
01:13:49.632 --> 01:13:51.612
<ASHLEY>That is so funny.
01:13:51.612 --> 01:13:55.352
<ASHLEY>Oh, man, his accent was so out of control in that movie.
01:13:55.352 --> 01:13:57.872
<BOBBY>But he's from Louisiana.
01:13:57.872 --> 01:13:59.012
<ASHLEY>It was so interesting.
01:13:59.012 --> 01:14:00.052
<BOBBY>He's from Louisiana.
01:14:00.052 --> 01:14:04.112
<BOBBY>He said that's, you know, deep, deep Louisiana with the Creole people.
01:14:04.112 --> 01:14:06.152
<BOBBY>Sometimes that's what it is.
01:14:06.392 --> 01:14:14.952
<ASHLEY>We got gambit and then you got the queen's gambit, which was also the girl in Furiosa, which is also Mad Max, which is also kind of like Deadpool Wolverine.
01:14:14.952 --> 01:14:17.092
<BOBBY>Very, very true.
01:14:17.092 --> 01:14:18.112
<BOBBY>The five, what is it?
01:14:18.112 --> 01:14:20.512
<ASHLEY>You get back to Anna Taylor Joy or whatever her name is.
01:14:20.512 --> 01:14:25.272
<BOBBY>Yeah, the seven separations of Kevin Bacon, but now it's the seven separations of Deadpool.
01:14:25.292 --> 01:14:26.872
<ASHLEY>Or Gambit.
01:14:26.932 --> 01:14:27.452
<BOBBY>Or Ga-
01:14:27.452 --> 01:14:29.892
<BOBBY>Well, not Gambit specifically, but yeah.
01:14:29.892 --> 01:14:30.792
<ASHLEY>I guess that makes sense.
01:14:30.792 --> 01:14:31.172
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:14:31.172 --> 01:14:32.292
<ASHLEY>I'm sorry.
01:14:32.292 --> 01:14:32.752
<BOBBY>Why?
01:14:32.752 --> 01:14:33.292
<ASHLEY>I don't know.
01:14:33.412 --> 01:14:34.212
<BOBBY>That's okay.
01:14:34.212 --> 01:14:58.372
<ASHLEY>Based on what she was feeling or what she was experiencing, Polly, the main character, Dakota Fanning, experiencing in this movie, it reminded me of how, and I mean, I do not, I am not diagnosed with schizophrenia, but it reminded me of like something someone would feel in schizophrenia with potential like audio and visual hallucinations and paranoia.
01:14:59.932 --> 01:15:09.732
<BOBBY>They've done that in a couple of different movies, but that was more of, it wasn't themselves, it was themselves interacting with another character.
01:15:09.732 --> 01:15:12.192
<BOBBY>Is that more what you're referencing?
01:15:12.192 --> 01:15:23.692
<BOBBY>Because like so in a beautiful mind, they know that that person has, I guess what you wouldn't necessarily define as schizophrenia, but people think it's that.
01:15:23.732 --> 01:15:26.052
<ASHLEY>But dissociative identity disorder.
01:15:26.052 --> 01:15:27.592
<BOBBY>Are they two separate things?
01:15:27.592 --> 01:15:28.132
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:15:28.132 --> 01:15:33.032
<ASHLEY>So dissociative identity disorder is what used to be called multiple personality disorder.
01:15:33.032 --> 01:15:34.512
<ASHLEY>So like the guy from Split.
01:15:34.512 --> 01:15:34.892
<BOBBY>Right.
01:15:34.892 --> 01:15:37.732
<ASHLEY>Or if you have seen it, yes.
01:15:37.732 --> 01:15:40.192
<ASHLEY>If you haven't, no.
01:15:40.192 --> 01:15:43.432
<BOBBY>Well, they talk about it quite a bit during, throughout the movie.
01:15:43.432 --> 01:15:45.212
<ASHLEY>Well, I didn't know until the end.
01:15:45.212 --> 01:15:46.632
<ASHLEY>It's like Sixth Sense.
01:15:46.632 --> 01:15:47.932
<BOBBY>Oh, shoot.
01:15:47.932 --> 01:15:48.272
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:15:48.272 --> 01:15:49.832
<BOBBY>So you have to bleep that out.
01:15:49.892 --> 01:15:50.292
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:15:50.292 --> 01:15:50.532
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:15:50.532 --> 01:15:51.312
<BOBBY>I mean, that makes sense.
01:15:51.312 --> 01:16:02.832
<BOBBY>So you're in the preview when you're seeing it, you're thinking like, oh, maybe this is a schizophrenic breakdown or like a breakdown from society.
01:16:02.832 --> 01:16:03.172
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:16:03.172 --> 01:16:14.072
<ASHLEY>And the part that specifically made me feel that way is when she was on the phone with her dad, he says, oh yeah, remember when you used to ask me if there were monsters under your bed?
01:16:14.072 --> 01:16:15.472
<ASHLEY>There were never any there.
01:16:15.472 --> 01:16:17.452
<ASHLEY>It was kind of like very dismissive.
01:16:17.452 --> 01:16:17.992
<BOBBY>Right.
01:16:17.992 --> 01:16:26.752
<ASHLEY>And it made me feel like he thought she was paranoid or maybe she felt like she was being paranoid because she's like, you're right, there wasn't anything there, but I still felt that way.
01:16:26.752 --> 01:16:27.452
<BOBBY>Sure.
01:16:27.452 --> 01:16:41.892
<ASHLEY>And she was getting the phone calls and I'm like, okay, maybe those are audio hallucinations or the visuals we're seeing when she goes to the neighbor's house and the neighbor slams the knife into her face.
01:16:41.892 --> 01:16:46.232
<ASHLEY>And then the next day she realizes that all of that didn't happen.
01:16:46.352 --> 01:16:47.632
<ASHLEY>All of that was in her mind.
01:16:47.812 --> 01:16:48.112
<BOBBY>Right.
01:16:48.112 --> 01:16:50.592
<ASHLEY>So none of that actually happened in real life.
01:16:50.592 --> 01:16:52.692
<ASHLEY>But the thing with Tara did.
01:16:52.692 --> 01:16:53.172
<BOBBY>Right.
01:16:53.172 --> 01:16:55.972
<ASHLEY>So then I'm like, this is so confusing.
01:16:55.972 --> 01:16:57.092
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:16:57.092 --> 01:17:01.872
<BOBBY>So you ranked it at 2.95 for the watchability of the movie.
01:17:01.872 --> 01:17:05.112
<BOBBY>But you're saying, like, if somebody who struggles with it.
01:17:05.112 --> 01:17:07.052
<ASHLEY>I mean 2.95, that's pretty high.
01:17:07.052 --> 01:17:08.512
<ASHLEY>Maybe 2.82.
01:17:08.512 --> 01:17:09.632
<BOBBY>I don't listen.
01:17:09.632 --> 01:17:10.772
<BOBBY>You know, I need to change that.
01:17:10.772 --> 01:17:20.212
<BOBBY>But you were saying that maybe this and especially with what Bryan wrote, the director wrote about his panic attacks and stuff.
01:17:20.212 --> 01:17:25.712
<BOBBY>Maybe it's a good watchability movie for people to see what it might be for someone to struggle with.
01:17:25.932 --> 01:17:28.572
<BOBBY>A bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.
01:17:28.572 --> 01:17:32.812
<ASHLEY>Yeah, or like a psychotic episode or depression.
01:17:32.812 --> 01:17:43.052
<ASHLEY>I wrote additionally, unlike a physical ailment, a lot of people are dismissive to people who are struggling with mental illness and overlook how people are feeling because they just don't understand it.
01:17:43.772 --> 01:17:47.232
<BOBBY>Right, because you're not experiencing it on the outside.
01:17:47.232 --> 01:17:47.612
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:17:49.852 --> 01:17:55.712
<ASHLEY>I hope that people aren't dismissing it because they don't think it exists.
01:17:55.712 --> 01:17:59.052
<ASHLEY>I hope it's because they just don't understand it.
01:17:59.052 --> 01:18:03.032
<BOBBY>Well, I think there's a two-fold thought process behind that.
01:18:03.032 --> 01:18:06.512
<BOBBY>Number one is, I think a lot of people don't understand it.
01:18:06.512 --> 01:18:08.552
<BOBBY>I didn't understand it before we were married.
01:18:08.612 --> 01:18:14.612
<BOBBY>Then as I got to know you more and we walked through those things, it kind of made a little bit more sense.
01:18:14.772 --> 01:18:19.132
<ASHLEY>I didn't understand it my entire life because I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30.
01:18:19.132 --> 01:18:19.812
<BOBBY>Right.
01:18:20.452 --> 01:18:25.712
<BOBBY>But anytime that you see it in a movie, you automatically think like, oh, this person is bipolar.
01:18:25.712 --> 01:18:26.772
<BOBBY>They're insane.
01:18:27.052 --> 01:18:27.852
<BOBBY>All the time.
01:18:27.852 --> 01:18:28.152
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:18:28.152 --> 01:18:29.152
<BOBBY>They say they're bipolar.
01:18:29.152 --> 01:18:33.912
<BOBBY>That means at one moment, they're going to be singing and the next moment, they're going to be beating their cat.
01:18:33.912 --> 01:18:34.652
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:18:34.652 --> 01:18:37.352
<BOBBY>Which that's not the way that it actually works.
01:18:37.872 --> 01:18:39.532
<BOBBY>A misunderstanding.
01:18:39.532 --> 01:18:54.752
<BOBBY>Then additionally, I think what we were just talking about is that there's been people that have abused those kinds of diagnoses and have utilized it to get away with things.
01:18:54.932 --> 01:19:01.572
<BOBBY>So society then moves backwards on things because they're afraid, they're saying, oh, it's all hoax.
01:19:01.572 --> 01:19:02.592
<BOBBY>It's all a joke.
01:19:02.592 --> 01:19:03.732
<BOBBY>It's you can work through it.
01:19:03.732 --> 01:19:05.872
<BOBBY>Just rub some dirt on it, throw some aspirin on it.
01:19:06.432 --> 01:19:07.772
<BOBBY>You know, you're good.
01:19:07.772 --> 01:19:08.432
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:19:08.432 --> 01:19:23.132
<BOBBY>But really when you see how debilitating it is for some people that are out there, it's like, wow, you know, to your point, if you're watching this through that lens to see somebody who feels like they're completely alone.
01:19:23.132 --> 01:19:23.692
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:19:23.692 --> 01:19:27.892
<BOBBY>And then goes out into the street, which you can see in the preview.
01:19:27.892 --> 01:19:29.312
<BOBBY>So this isn't a spoiler.
01:19:29.312 --> 01:19:31.512
<BOBBY>Goes out in the street, starts yelling in the street.
01:19:31.512 --> 01:19:35.032
<BOBBY>None of the lights come on because they feel so locked.
01:19:35.112 --> 01:19:36.072
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:19:36.072 --> 01:19:42.252
<BOBBY>I mean, that's a huge, huge feeling of emptiness and aloneness.
01:19:42.252 --> 01:19:42.972
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:19:42.972 --> 01:19:49.012
<BOBBY>That could, you know, potentially lead someone or spiral someone down a path that they don't really want to go down.
01:19:49.012 --> 01:19:50.992
<ASHLEY>I agree.
01:19:50.992 --> 01:19:57.732
<ASHLEY>So at the end, I said if it was about mental illness, which I wrote this before I read the writer-director interviews.
01:19:57.732 --> 01:20:00.812
<ASHLEY>So at this point, I didn't even know if it was about mental illness or not.
01:20:00.812 --> 01:20:03.332
<ASHLEY>Thank God, at least it was at some part.
01:20:03.812 --> 01:20:04.832
<BOBBY>It was inspired by it.
01:20:04.832 --> 01:20:06.592
<ASHLEY>Inspired by it, thank goodness.
01:20:06.592 --> 01:20:14.952
<ASHLEY>Because I said if this was about mental illness, I think I would have liked if there were a message in it about how mental illness feels.
01:20:14.952 --> 01:20:28.052
<ASHLEY>Because for the average viewer, it was kind of like a mind and the lack of clarity doesn't really help with the mental health aspect of it, because I don't think that average viewer would read that far into it.
01:20:28.052 --> 01:20:30.412
<ASHLEY>Like they wouldn't do the research that we're doing, you know?
01:20:31.092 --> 01:20:44.032
<BOBBY>Right, that's been a constant thing that when I go to work and talk to any of my co-workers about some of the movies that they've seen, because we do the deep dives, I think one of the biggest ones that I was able to help them out with was Cinders.
01:20:44.032 --> 01:20:45.112
<ASHLEY>Oh, yeah.
01:20:45.112 --> 01:20:48.852
<BOBBY>And it's not that I know anything or you know anything about that.
01:20:48.852 --> 01:20:56.412
<BOBBY>It's just sometimes we don't want to, we just want to be removed from our own reality for a couple of hours.
01:20:56.412 --> 01:20:56.932
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:20:57.072 --> 01:21:03.412
<BOBBY>So, I'm not going to do the deep dive in going to see Captain America Civil War.
01:21:03.412 --> 01:21:04.152
<BOBBY>Winter Soldier.
01:21:04.152 --> 01:21:07.192
<BOBBY>Yeah, or Winter Soldier, you know.
01:21:07.192 --> 01:21:11.052
<BOBBY>I just want to go there and watch some bad guys get beat up.
01:21:11.052 --> 01:21:11.852
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:21:11.852 --> 01:21:21.332
<BOBBY>But sometimes, you know, one of the best things that we can do is learn about what the thought process was behind something because it helps you understand the product.
01:21:21.332 --> 01:21:31.892
<BOBBY>And to your point, what you said very earlier to bring it full circle, the art that's out there, because if you hear from the artist, it helps you understand what the vision was.
01:21:31.892 --> 01:21:32.312
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:21:32.312 --> 01:21:36.612
<ASHLEY>And I think with his vision, it was inspired by mental health.
01:21:36.612 --> 01:21:43.912
<ASHLEY>But if you were trying to make a statement about mental health, then you should have put something in the movie that said it.
01:21:43.912 --> 01:21:45.572
<ASHLEY>Otherwise, it doesn't help anyone.
01:21:45.572 --> 01:21:46.972
<ASHLEY>It doesn't help remove the stigma.
01:21:46.972 --> 01:21:49.632
<ASHLEY>It doesn't help with anything if no one knows what it's about.
01:21:49.632 --> 01:21:51.912
<BOBBY>Spoiler alert.
01:21:51.912 --> 01:21:53.032
<ASHLEY>Oh, I'm so sorry.
01:21:53.032 --> 01:21:54.212
<BOBBY>Oh, no, you didn't say anything.
01:21:54.432 --> 01:21:59.692
<BOBBY>I just I want to do a spoiler for myself because I actually think the way that the movie should have ended if they wanted to do that.
01:21:59.692 --> 01:22:01.412
<BOBBY>Well, she woke up at a mental institution.
01:22:01.412 --> 01:22:02.112
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:22:02.112 --> 01:22:06.112
<ASHLEY>If that happened and they were like giving her different treatments.
01:22:06.112 --> 01:22:10.092
<BOBBY>And the box was like everything that she that she brought with her.
01:22:10.092 --> 01:22:10.352
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:22:10.352 --> 01:22:11.532
<BOBBY>When she came in.
01:22:11.532 --> 01:22:12.592
<BOBBY>So she looks through it.
01:22:12.892 --> 01:22:14.912
<BOBBY>Like, well, we had to.
01:22:14.912 --> 01:22:15.992
<BOBBY>She's like, why am I here?
01:22:15.992 --> 01:22:16.592
<BOBBY>What's going on?
01:22:16.592 --> 01:22:20.712
<BOBBY>They're like, we couldn't stop you from abusing yourself.
01:22:20.712 --> 01:22:23.472
<BOBBY>You kept like putting out cigarettes on your arm.
01:22:24.132 --> 01:22:27.172
<BOBBY>And then you cut off your fingers and toes and stuff.
01:22:27.172 --> 01:22:32.852
<BOBBY>And like, we need to get you under control because you are out of control right now.
01:22:32.972 --> 01:22:40.212
<ASHLEY>And you had a great idea for the metaphor before, right after we finished the movie.
01:22:40.212 --> 01:22:44.972
<ASHLEY>I asked you what you thought the metaphor was because at this point we haven't researched anything.
01:22:44.972 --> 01:22:47.432
<ASHLEY>So what did you think of the metaphor?
01:22:47.712 --> 01:22:59.212
<BOBBY>I thought that the metaphor was that because of her choices with smoking cigarettes, that she was actually putting everybody around her at risk.
01:22:59.212 --> 01:23:04.012
<BOBBY>So the reason why she lost her finger and her toe was because of cancer.
01:23:04.012 --> 01:23:06.332
<BOBBY>She hated that the cigarettes were doing stuff.
01:23:06.332 --> 01:23:12.332
<BOBBY>The things that she loved actually were her niece and her sister, but she couldn't hang out with them.
01:23:12.332 --> 01:23:20.172
<BOBBY>And that's the reason why the niece had all the burns all over her face, because every time she smoked, that was a cigarette that was hurting her niece.
01:23:20.172 --> 01:23:24.932
<BOBBY>And they actually say something in the movie where it's like, oh, why don't you grab a pillow and put it over my face?
01:23:24.932 --> 01:23:25.532
<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
01:23:25.532 --> 01:23:30.012
<BOBBY>And so she did that not only with the mom, but also with the daughter.
01:23:30.012 --> 01:23:36.992
<BOBBY>And so at the very end of the movie, she says something along the lines of like, oh, mom's pissed at you.
01:23:36.992 --> 01:23:40.612
<BOBBY>And then she said, oh, I know, I'm just so glad that I'm here with you.
01:23:40.612 --> 01:23:43.492
<BOBBY>Let me stand outside and I'll smoke another cigarette.
01:23:43.492 --> 01:23:43.672
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:23:44.032 --> 01:23:49.352
<BOBBY>And then she watched her sister walk in disgusted, kind of with her niece.
01:23:49.352 --> 01:23:49.592
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:23:49.592 --> 01:23:58.172
<BOBBY>Because she's like, in my mind, I was thinking the reason why the sister was disgusted was because she was like, you've already lost your finger and your toe to cancer.
01:23:58.172 --> 01:23:58.592
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:23:58.592 --> 01:24:00.712
<BOBBY>And yet you want to smoke another cigarette.
01:24:00.712 --> 01:24:01.912
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:24:01.912 --> 01:24:04.992
<ASHLEY>It's like, that was such a good metaphor.
01:24:04.992 --> 01:24:08.492
<ASHLEY>When you told me that, it wasn't even on my radar.
01:24:08.492 --> 01:24:10.812
<ASHLEY>And that was so smart to me.
01:24:11.452 --> 01:24:20.132
<ASHLEY>Because when you put it all together and then you said that the little girl, maybe it were cigarette burns on her face and on her arms, which I could, I really could not look at it.
01:24:20.132 --> 01:24:22.672
<ASHLEY>It was really like bad for me.
01:24:22.672 --> 01:24:26.832
<ASHLEY>Specifically, if you have no problem with holes or bumps or whatever, you're fine.
01:24:26.832 --> 01:24:30.552
<ASHLEY>But I mean, how else would you explain it?
01:24:30.552 --> 01:24:34.232
<ASHLEY>How else would you explain that girl with all the spots on her?
01:24:34.232 --> 01:24:36.872
<BOBBY>I don't know because they didn't do a great job of explaining it.
01:24:36.892 --> 01:24:38.332
<v SPEAKER_3>They didn't explain anything.
01:24:38.372 --> 01:24:39.052
<BOBBY>Right.
01:24:40.192 --> 01:24:56.452
<ASHLEY>I'm so glad that you said that because even if it weren't specifically cigarettes, even if it were addiction, the fact that they use the cigarettes so prominently in the movie did a great job.
01:24:56.452 --> 01:25:04.692
<ASHLEY>When she put the cigarettes in the box and she said, oh, these are something I hate and it said wrong, it's because you're an addict is what I kept thinking.
01:25:04.812 --> 01:25:08.832
<ASHLEY>Like, oh, it's because this whole thing is based on her addiction.
01:25:08.832 --> 01:25:17.572
<ASHLEY>Whether or not it's based on cigarettes, the addiction they used in the movie was cigarettes.
01:25:17.572 --> 01:25:22.372
<BOBBY>What's interesting to me now that you brought that up, is she left or right handed?
01:25:23.872 --> 01:25:26.092
<ASHLEY>I feel like she's right handed and she cut off.
01:25:26.092 --> 01:25:27.172
<ASHLEY>Wasn't it her right?
01:25:27.172 --> 01:25:30.632
<BOBBY>It was her left and her left.
01:25:30.632 --> 01:25:35.232
<ASHLEY>Maybe she's right handed because she uses her left to smoke and she uses the right to drive.
01:25:35.232 --> 01:25:39.892
<BOBBY>I thought it was the opposite because don't you always smoke with your predominant?
01:25:40.412 --> 01:25:41.532
<ASHLEY>I smoked with left.
01:25:41.552 --> 01:25:42.252
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:25:42.252 --> 01:25:45.672
<ASHLEY>Just because it's like you want to make sure your right hand always has time.
01:25:45.672 --> 01:25:48.192
<ASHLEY>You can do things with it.
01:25:48.192 --> 01:25:49.252
<BOBBY>There you go.
01:25:49.252 --> 01:25:50.372
<BOBBY>So there you go.
01:25:50.372 --> 01:25:55.732
<BOBBY>So when you because when you're talking about addiction, I thought that's the reason why when she put them in there, it said it was wrong.
01:25:55.732 --> 01:25:57.632
<BOBBY>It was like, no, you don't hate this.
01:25:57.632 --> 01:25:59.332
<BOBBY>You hate because she didn't.
01:25:59.332 --> 01:26:00.852
<BOBBY>She actually didn't hate it.
01:26:00.912 --> 01:26:01.952
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:26:01.952 --> 01:26:03.052
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:26:03.052 --> 01:26:03.992
<BOBBY>Very interesting.
01:26:03.992 --> 01:26:07.132
<ASHLEY>And the one thing that I did find very fun and very.
01:26:07.132 --> 01:26:07.732
<BOBBY>Spoiler.
01:26:07.732 --> 01:26:09.712
<ASHLEY>Yes, it's still part of the spoilers.
01:26:09.712 --> 01:26:13.672
<ASHLEY>Very interesting was when she got the cross.
01:26:13.672 --> 01:26:23.152
<ASHLEY>And after she was like, yeah, basically she lost faith in God when her dad died, because how could God do this to her?
01:26:23.152 --> 01:26:27.432
<ASHLEY>And she put the cross in the box under things I need or things I hate.
01:26:28.692 --> 01:26:32.032
<ASHLEY>I can't remember what it was, but it's both.
01:26:32.032 --> 01:26:35.572
<ASHLEY>I think she put it under I hate, something I hate was God.
01:26:36.772 --> 01:26:40.112
<BOBBY>Uh, maybe I can't remember.
01:26:40.112 --> 01:26:43.012
<ASHLEY>But anyway, I just thought that was also very interesting.
01:26:43.012 --> 01:26:43.892
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:26:43.892 --> 01:26:51.732
<BOBBY>So for the spoiler, if I remember correctly, the thing that she is need need.
01:26:51.732 --> 01:26:54.592
<BOBBY>OK, the thing that she needed was what?
01:26:54.672 --> 01:26:56.352
<ASHLEY>Her hand, her finger?
01:26:56.352 --> 01:26:57.972
<ASHLEY>Because her toe, her toe.
01:26:57.972 --> 01:27:00.112
<ASHLEY>Well, she first put the toe and then it didn't take it.
01:27:00.112 --> 01:27:03.352
<ASHLEY>And then she put the finger and then it took the toe.
01:27:03.352 --> 01:27:05.212
<BOBBY>So it was what do I need?
01:27:05.212 --> 01:27:06.892
<ASHLEY>I think her, what do I hate?
01:27:06.892 --> 01:27:08.532
<BOBBY>And then what do I love?
01:27:08.532 --> 01:27:08.852
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:27:08.852 --> 01:27:11.852
<ASHLEY>And her love was the girl's hair.
01:27:11.852 --> 01:27:12.172
<BOBBY>Right.
01:27:12.172 --> 01:27:14.132
<BOBBY>Which also didn't make sense.
01:27:14.132 --> 01:27:17.732
<BOBBY>No, I was like, she went in there, she snuck in while she was sleeping and cut her hair off.
01:27:17.732 --> 01:27:18.532
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:27:18.532 --> 01:27:19.592
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:27:19.592 --> 01:27:20.292
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:27:20.292 --> 01:27:22.252
<ASHLEY>And then where did those things go?
01:27:22.252 --> 01:27:23.512
<ASHLEY>Evaporated into thin air.
01:27:23.612 --> 01:27:25.872
<BOBBY>I mean, time takes all things.
01:27:25.872 --> 01:27:27.952
<BOBBY>And she was constantly using her little.
01:27:27.952 --> 01:27:28.652
<ASHLEY>Oh, my gosh.
01:27:28.652 --> 01:27:33.392
<ASHLEY>I also wrote that that hourglass that should have lasted until the end of the night.
01:27:33.392 --> 01:27:36.832
<ASHLEY>That was a like a five to ten minute hourglass max.
01:27:36.832 --> 01:27:38.752
<BOBBY>It was an hour long hourglass.
01:27:38.752 --> 01:27:44.992
<BOBBY>And you were supposed to figure things out unless if you didn't figure it out, then something bad would happen to somebody else.
01:27:44.992 --> 01:27:48.952
<BOBBY>So each time that she would put something in there, it would reset itself.
01:27:48.992 --> 01:27:51.052
<ASHLEY>Well, I understand that.
01:27:51.052 --> 01:27:56.392
<ASHLEY>But I'm saying the prop that they actually used was like a five minute timer.
01:27:56.392 --> 01:27:58.072
<BOBBY>It was not...
01:27:58.072 --> 01:27:58.932
<BOBBY>What was the movie that we were...
01:27:58.932 --> 01:28:00.772
<ASHLEY>A giant one with a teeny hole.
01:28:00.772 --> 01:28:01.592
<BOBBY>Yeah, yeah, I know.
01:28:01.592 --> 01:28:03.512
<BOBBY>But they needed the one from...
01:28:03.512 --> 01:28:04.212
<ASHLEY>Until Dawn.
01:28:04.212 --> 01:28:05.172
<BOBBY>Yeah, Until Dawn.
01:28:05.172 --> 01:28:05.992
<ASHLEY>That's the one.
01:28:05.992 --> 01:28:08.072
<ASHLEY>They had a really good one in Until Dawn.
01:28:08.072 --> 01:28:09.732
<ASHLEY>They did pretty well with that one.
01:28:09.732 --> 01:28:12.672
<ASHLEY>Until Dawn was a lot better than I expected, to be honest.
01:28:12.672 --> 01:28:13.772
<BOBBY>Especially for a video game.
01:28:13.772 --> 01:28:15.352
<ASHLEY>Especially for a video game.
01:28:15.352 --> 01:28:18.252
<ASHLEY>I mean, not like I judge them differently.
01:28:18.652 --> 01:28:20.992
<ASHLEY>But it was pretty good.
01:28:20.992 --> 01:28:23.892
<ASHLEY>I would recommend seeing Until Dawn before Vicious.
01:28:23.892 --> 01:28:24.592
<BOBBY>There you go.
01:28:24.592 --> 01:28:26.172
<ASHLEY>What would you recommend?
01:28:26.172 --> 01:28:30.032
<BOBBY>I would recommend Until Dawn 10 times out of 10 over Vicious.
01:28:30.032 --> 01:28:30.472
<ASHLEY>Yeah, me too.
01:28:38.120 --> 01:28:39.940
<BOBBY>Well, excellent job.
01:28:39.940 --> 01:28:46.300
<BOBBY>Another movie reviewed, but you know before we leave, we gotta see what's hot from the interwebs.
01:28:46.300 --> 01:28:47.160
<BOBBY>From the audience.
01:28:47.160 --> 01:28:48.720
<ASHLEY>Yes, exactly.
01:28:49.980 --> 01:28:50.980
<BOBBY>Do you wanna go first?
01:28:50.980 --> 01:28:55.220
<BOBBY>You want me to go first, cause I have two one stars and two five stars.
01:28:55.220 --> 01:29:00.200
<ASHLEY>Okay, I have a, I have several.
01:29:00.200 --> 01:29:04.080
<ASHLEY>They are very short, and I'm just gonna read them all very fast.
01:29:04.080 --> 01:29:06.140
<BOBBY>You're just gonna go right from the gates?
01:29:06.140 --> 01:29:06.760
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:07.000
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:14.520
<ASHLEY>So, I'll just do a brief pause in between each one, but then I'm just gonna go on to the next, cause then they're all, they're all like one star.
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:16.280
<BOBBY>You're doing all one stars, or is there any?
01:29:16.280 --> 01:29:17.260
<ASHLEY>Just for now.
01:29:17.260 --> 01:29:18.520
<ASHLEY>Just for this one part.
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:19.240
<BOBBY>Here we go.
01:29:19.240 --> 01:29:21.000
<ASHLEY>Okay, this is gonna be long.
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:24.120
<ASHLEY>I'm not going to read, oh, they don't have titles, cause I got them on Google.
01:29:24.120 --> 01:29:24.640
<BOBBY>Fantastic.
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:25.960
<ASHLEY>Oh, wait, what does yours start with?
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:27.840
<ASHLEY>I shouldn't say what yours is.
01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:29.620
<BOBBY>You have no idea what mine are.
01:29:29.620 --> 01:29:30.160
<ASHLEY>I don't?
01:29:30.160 --> 01:29:30.980
<BOBBY>No.
01:29:31.040 --> 01:29:36.460
<ASHLEY>Okay, I'm starting with one star reviews now.
01:29:36.460 --> 01:29:40.480
<ASHLEY>One, I watched 35 minutes and 21 seconds of it.
01:29:40.480 --> 01:29:44.420
<ASHLEY>Slow, boring, no foreseeable plot.
01:29:44.420 --> 01:29:49.260
<ASHLEY>Rambling, Dakota Fanning is an excellent actor and even she couldn't make it work.
01:29:50.660 --> 01:29:57.460
<ASHLEY>Two, so boring, not scary at all.
01:29:57.460 --> 01:29:59.480
<ASHLEY>There's no point to it and it drags.
01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:02.580
<ASHLEY>There isn't even an explanation regarding the box.
01:30:02.580 --> 01:30:05.920
<ASHLEY>And that's because the whole movie is focused around the box.
01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:08.300
<ASHLEY>I'd give zero stars if I could.
01:30:08.300 --> 01:30:10.200
<BOBBY>Can I just, just as a real quick one?
01:30:10.200 --> 01:30:10.600
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:14.380
<BOBBY>They missed a very cool one they could have done.
01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:15.720
<BOBBY>Like the end of Seven.
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:16.860
<BOBBY>What's in the box?
01:30:16.860 --> 01:30:18.760
<BOBBY>What's in the box?
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:21.000
<BOBBY>They could have easily done that because that's from Seven.
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:21.980
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh, you're right.
01:30:21.980 --> 01:30:22.800
<ASHLEY>They didn't even say it.
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.380
<BOBBY>Yeah, because they said the whole movie is about the box.
01:30:25.380 --> 01:30:26.520
<BOBBY>I'm like, oh.
01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:27.800
<ASHLEY>Did you notice what?
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:29.040
<ASHLEY>I'm so sorry I interrupted you.
01:30:29.040 --> 01:30:29.460
<BOBBY>Continue.
01:30:29.460 --> 01:30:30.560
<BOBBY>Oh no, that's it.
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:31.440
<ASHLEY>I loved it.
01:30:31.440 --> 01:30:32.920
<ASHLEY>Because I know that reference.
01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:34.780
<ASHLEY>That was based on Seven Deadly Sins, right?
01:30:34.780 --> 01:30:35.080
<BOBBY>Yes.
01:30:35.080 --> 01:30:37.100
<ASHLEY>That was a amazing movie.
01:30:37.100 --> 01:30:37.920
<ASHLEY>Amazing movie.
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:38.660
<BOBBY>Yeah, if you guys haven't seen that.
01:30:38.660 --> 01:30:40.560
<ASHLEY>If you haven't seen it, you should definitely see it.
01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:42.740
<BOBBY>It's literally just called Seven.
01:30:42.740 --> 01:30:45.600
<ASHLEY>Yeah, you don't want to know what's in the box, but it's a great movie.
01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:53.520
<BOBBY>You don't want to know anything about the movie because going into it outside of the Seven Deadly Sins, it is a very, very incredible movie.
01:30:53.520 --> 01:31:03.420
<BOBBY>Young Brad Pitt, young Gwyneth Paltrow, young Morgan Freeman, and just really, really well done.
01:31:03.420 --> 01:31:10.860
<BOBBY>I don't know how people feel out there about another gentleman that's in that movie, but I'll leave it up to you guys.
01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:12.820
<BOBBY>I'm not going to say his name.
01:31:12.820 --> 01:31:14.060
<ASHLEY>I don't know who it is, so we're good.
01:31:14.060 --> 01:31:15.400
<ASHLEY>I know, that's good.
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:21.000
<ASHLEY>I'm like, I just remember it reminded me of Law and Order or something.
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:22.000
<BOBBY>Pretty good.
01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:22.220
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:31:22.220 --> 01:31:22.860
<ASHLEY>Kind of.
01:31:22.860 --> 01:31:26.800
<BOBBY>Or Law and Order, Bones, all those shows, like, kind of wrapped up into one.
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:28.160
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:31:28.160 --> 01:31:29.560
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.220
<ASHLEY>Three.
01:31:31.240 --> 01:31:33.700
<ASHLEY>Usually, there's an explanation at the end of a movie.
01:31:33.700 --> 01:31:35.380
<ASHLEY>For me, there was none.
01:31:35.380 --> 01:31:36.900
<ASHLEY>It did not make sense.
01:31:36.900 --> 01:31:40.100
<ASHLEY>It should have stopped 15 minutes before it actually ended.
01:31:40.100 --> 01:31:41.900
<ASHLEY>Would not recommend.
01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:45.220
<ASHLEY>Four.
01:31:45.220 --> 01:31:51.720
<ASHLEY>Vicious Movie of 2025, makers of movies making any damn movies in the name of, quote, horror.
01:31:51.720 --> 01:32:01.380
<ASHLEY>This movie is of a horrible, painful, pointless plot, poor performances, bad cinematography and third rate direction.
01:32:01.380 --> 01:32:04.820
<ASHLEY>Please avoid watching this film.
01:32:04.820 --> 01:32:07.260
<ASHLEY>And then I'm just going to read a couple quotes from other ones.
01:32:07.260 --> 01:32:08.440
<BOBBY>I don't think that you should.
01:32:08.440 --> 01:32:10.760
<BOBBY>I think that I think that's probably enough.
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:18.880
<ASHLEY>I just thought it was very interesting that almost every single one star review that I read said they didn't understand it or that it was boring.
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:26.540
<ASHLEY>Someone said they turned it off three times in the middle and then watched it for the train wreck action to watch the end of the movie.
01:32:26.540 --> 01:32:29.160
<ASHLEY>Like I couldn't tell you how many people.
01:32:29.160 --> 01:32:31.080
<v SPEAKER_3>There were dozens.
01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:32.800
<BOBBY>That might have been one of the ones that I got.
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:33.480
<v SPEAKER_3>Really?
01:32:33.480 --> 01:32:36.540
<ASHLEY>Dozens of them said I didn't understand it.
01:32:36.540 --> 01:32:39.800
<ASHLEY>So then because I don't read these until after I write my review.
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:40.340
<BOBBY>Of course.
01:32:40.340 --> 01:32:50.540
<ASHLEY>So it was so it was although it was sad, it was very comforting that I was not there alone because a lot of times my opinions are very different than the societal norm.
01:32:50.860 --> 01:32:52.540
<ASHLEY>So this was very different for me.
01:32:52.540 --> 01:32:54.980
<BOBBY>Yeah, I'm right there with you.
01:32:54.980 --> 01:32:57.280
<BOBBY>I'm just throwing it out there.
01:32:57.280 --> 01:32:59.500
<BOBBY>I know it just came out on the 10th.
01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:01.220
<BOBBY>There's a lot of negativity out there.
01:33:01.220 --> 01:33:03.260
<ASHLEY>I can I could not.
01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:07.100
<ASHLEY>Honestly, I could not believe how negative it was.
01:33:07.100 --> 01:33:07.920
<BOBBY>It's pretty bad.
01:33:07.940 --> 01:33:10.560
<BOBBY>So let me read my two reviews.
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:11.900
<ASHLEY>Yeah, okay.
01:33:11.900 --> 01:33:20.260
<BOBBY>I and what I did with this first review, just so that way everybody knows, is I wrote down the movies these other people directed.
01:33:21.200 --> 01:33:25.480
<BOBBY>Because I was like, oh, this person just said words and I don't think anyone's going to know.
01:33:25.480 --> 01:33:27.980
<BOBBY>So I'm just I'm just throwing it out there.
01:33:27.980 --> 01:33:33.220
<ASHLEY>Also, I noticed that in their reviews, three people referenced other movies.
01:33:33.220 --> 01:33:34.700
<ASHLEY>Did you did you know?
01:33:34.700 --> 01:33:36.480
<ASHLEY>Do you have any idea what those two?
01:33:36.480 --> 01:33:39.340
<ASHLEY>There were two movies, one, two people reference one.
01:33:39.420 --> 01:33:41.140
<ASHLEY>One person referenced another.
01:33:42.180 --> 01:33:45.960
<BOBBY>What, that they would compare this movie to?
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:50.520
<BOBBY>Malignant or hereditary?
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:54.660
<ASHLEY>No, two people referenced that it was like the movie The Box.
01:33:54.660 --> 01:33:55.120
<BOBBY>OK.
01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:55.880
<ASHLEY>Have you seen it?
01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:56.200
<BOBBY>No.
01:33:56.200 --> 01:33:57.960
<ASHLEY>No, maybe that's why.
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:02.320
<ASHLEY>And one person said 1408, and I was like, where on earth did you get that?
01:34:02.320 --> 01:34:07.580
<BOBBY>You know, what's weird is I saw somebody else say that, but they said the female version of 1408.
01:34:07.740 --> 01:34:14.360
<BOBBY>And I'm like, OK, I mean, maybe, because when John Cusack goes in there, he's locked in that room.
01:34:14.360 --> 01:34:17.460
<BOBBY>By the way, this is not a spoiler alert.
01:34:17.460 --> 01:34:21.220
<BOBBY>If you want to go listen to our review of 1408, we also have it on here.
01:34:21.220 --> 01:34:21.660
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:34:21.660 --> 01:34:28.980
<ASHLEY>And now that we're doing spoiler episodes, we might record another extended version with spoilers.
01:34:28.980 --> 01:34:29.660
<BOBBY>Potentially.
01:34:29.660 --> 01:34:30.880
<ASHLEY>Potentially.
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:36.980
<BOBBY>But yeah, I saw somebody say a female version of 1408, and I was like, not necessarily, but I could see it.
01:34:37.180 --> 01:34:40.240
<ASHLEY>But just because the actress is a female, like, that's the only reason?
01:34:40.240 --> 01:34:42.020
<BOBBY>No, because they were locked in the house.
01:34:42.020 --> 01:34:45.640
<BOBBY>There wasn't any escape every time that they thought they got out.
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:46.460
<BOBBY>They got back in.
01:34:46.460 --> 01:34:46.920
<ASHLEY>I see.
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:48.160
<v SPEAKER_3>OK, OK, OK.
01:34:48.160 --> 01:34:52.900
<ASHLEY>I see what they mean because of the phone ringing.
01:34:52.900 --> 01:34:53.980
<BOBBY>Right.
01:34:53.980 --> 01:34:55.460
<v SPEAKER_4>OK.
01:34:55.460 --> 01:34:57.140
<ASHLEY>I wouldn't say it's a female version.
01:34:57.140 --> 01:34:58.620
<ASHLEY>I'd say it's a...
01:34:58.620 --> 01:35:00.440
<BOBBY>I mean, that's exactly what it is.
01:35:00.440 --> 01:35:01.860
<ASHLEY>Less cinematography-al.
01:35:04.460 --> 01:35:04.740
<ASHLEY>I don't know.
01:35:04.740 --> 01:35:06.300
<BOBBY>It's a female version of 1408.
01:35:06.300 --> 01:35:07.580
<v SPEAKER_3>I wouldn't say female.
01:35:07.620 --> 01:35:08.100
<v SPEAKER_3>Why is it?
01:35:08.100 --> 01:35:09.560
<ASHLEY>Just because she's a woman, it doesn't...
01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:12.000
<ASHLEY>I wouldn't say this is the female version of something.
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.420
<BOBBY>So Ocean's 8, you wouldn't say that's the female versions of Ocean 11?
01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:17.460
<ASHLEY>Yeah, but that's exactly the same.
01:35:17.460 --> 01:35:17.940
<BOBBY>So is this.
01:35:17.940 --> 01:35:19.040
<ASHLEY>This isn't exactly the same.
01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:21.460
<ASHLEY>She doesn't experience all the seasons that he does.
01:35:21.460 --> 01:35:23.520
<ASHLEY>She doesn't experience all the like the...
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.040
<BOBBY>She keeps waking up in the same place.
01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:26.000
<BOBBY>The phone keeps ringing.
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:26.420
<BOBBY>She can't get away.
01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:28.140
<ASHLEY>She doesn't ever fall asleep.
01:35:28.140 --> 01:35:29.000
<BOBBY>Oh, yes, she does.
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:29.600
<ASHLEY>She does?
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:32.240
<BOBBY>She keeps waking up on her dining room table all the time.
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.540
<ASHLEY>Oh, well, I guess.
01:35:36.540 --> 01:35:40.240
<ASHLEY>I just don't like when it's like the female version because I don't like this one as much as the other one.
01:35:40.240 --> 01:35:41.120
<BOBBY>No, well, of course not.
01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:43.940
<ASHLEY>Don't criticize females and don't criticize Dakota Fanning.
01:35:43.940 --> 01:35:44.880
<ASHLEY>She was great.
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:45.400
<ASHLEY>She was great.
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:46.040
<BOBBY>Nobody said...
01:35:46.040 --> 01:35:46.900
<ASHLEY>So was John Cusack.
01:35:46.900 --> 01:35:50.460
<BOBBY>And nobody said anything about either one of those two people.
01:35:50.460 --> 01:35:51.140
<BOBBY>So there you go.
01:35:51.140 --> 01:35:52.760
<ASHLEY>I wish she did one that wasn't 1408.
01:35:53.540 --> 01:35:55.760
<BOBBY>Maybe she really did enjoy 1408.
01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:56.420
<ASHLEY>Maybe she did.
01:35:56.420 --> 01:35:59.360
<BOBBY>And so she was like, oh, it's a female version of one of my favorite movies.
01:35:59.360 --> 01:36:00.920
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:01.600
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:03.740
<ASHLEY>I just think like, okay, it's like 1408.
01:36:03.740 --> 01:36:05.200
<ASHLEY>It doesn't have to be the female version.
01:36:05.200 --> 01:36:06.420
<ASHLEY>It's just another version.
01:36:06.420 --> 01:36:08.500
<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
01:36:08.500 --> 01:36:08.960
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:14.840
<BOBBY>So I understand where you're coming from, where people have compared it to other movies.
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:25.120
<BOBBY>I'm just saying in the review that I'm about to read, this guy started naming off directors and I'm like, I should probably look up what in the world these other directors have made.
01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:26.780
<ASHLEY>I'm very interested in this.
01:36:26.780 --> 01:36:28.820
<ASHLEY>So this is what an audience review said?
01:36:28.820 --> 01:36:29.240
<BOBBY>Yes.
01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:29.600
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:31.180
<BOBBY>His name was Chris.
01:36:31.180 --> 01:36:32.180
<BOBBY>He gave it a one star.
01:36:32.180 --> 01:36:34.260
<ASHLEY>Is that his name or his real name?
01:36:34.260 --> 01:36:34.700
<BOBBY>No.
01:36:34.700 --> 01:36:38.280
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:36:38.280 --> 01:36:42.880
<BOBBY>With the exception of Mike Flanagan, do you know who that is?
01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:43.220
<ASHLEY>No.
01:36:43.220 --> 01:36:44.220
<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
01:36:44.220 --> 01:36:51.500
<BOBBY>He wrote The Haunting of Bly Manor, Doctor Sleep, The Haunting of Hill House, The Fall of the House of Usher.
01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:53.880
<v SPEAKER_3>No way.
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:58.620
<BOBBY>Ari Aster, who wrote Midsommar and Hereditary.
01:36:58.620 --> 01:37:00.460
<v SPEAKER_4>What?
01:37:00.460 --> 01:37:06.940
<BOBBY>And James Wan, who wrote The Whole Conjuring Universe, Malignant and The Whole Insidious Universe.
01:37:08.300 --> 01:37:14.280
<BOBBY>I'm convinced people don't know how to write horror anymore because this movie was trash.
01:37:14.280 --> 01:37:23.320
<BOBBY>That's on me though, because I should have known when I had to come back to it three times and attempt to finish that, it was going to be a disappointment.
01:37:23.340 --> 01:37:24.020
<ASHLEY>Oh, no.
01:37:24.020 --> 01:37:26.880
<BOBBY>I want better for Dakota Fanning.
01:37:26.940 --> 01:37:28.320
<BOBBY>SMH.
01:37:28.320 --> 01:37:29.980
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:37:29.980 --> 01:37:32.280
<ASHLEY>Oh, my gosh.
01:37:32.280 --> 01:37:34.140
<ASHLEY>That is so crazy.
01:37:34.140 --> 01:37:34.460
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:37:34.460 --> 01:37:37.420
<ASHLEY>I mean, those, I can't, I can't with those directors.
01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:47.720
<ASHLEY>Now, those spoiler alert that we're not going to take out of our spoiler-free version, those, any movies or things by those directors, I would recommend.
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:54.460
<BOBBY>So just as a, as a throwback, because I just got done reading it, Mike Flanagan, Haunting of Bly Manor.
01:37:54.480 --> 01:37:58.020
<BOBBY>Excuse me, because I did this with Fall Guy.
01:37:58.020 --> 01:38:06.080
<BOBBY>The Haunting of Bly Manor, The Haunting of Hill House, Doctor Sleep, and The Fall of the House of Usher.
01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:06.880
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:07.860
<BOBBY>Plus more.
01:38:07.860 --> 01:38:09.340
<BOBBY>Those were the ones that I was like, oh.
01:38:09.340 --> 01:38:10.380
<ASHLEY>Those are the ones we've seen.
01:38:10.380 --> 01:38:10.760
<BOBBY>Right.
01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:11.500
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:38:11.500 --> 01:38:17.000
<BOBBY>Ari Aster, Midsommar, Hereditary, plus a bunch of other ones.
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:20.580
<ASHLEY>Those ones are so disturbing, but if you haven't seen them, you should see them.
01:38:21.160 --> 01:38:29.300
<BOBBY>And then James Wan, who does The Conjuring Universe, did Malignant, and then also The Insidious Universe.
01:38:29.300 --> 01:38:33.680
<BOBBY>Those were the three that were mentioned in this one star review.
01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:36.000
<ASHLEY>I'm so glad you looked them up too.
01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:37.180
<ASHLEY>Oh my gosh.
01:38:37.180 --> 01:38:44.800
<ASHLEY>To be honest, anything by Mike Flanagan, I mean, I had no idea who directed those, but every single, cause those are limited series.
01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:46.340
<ASHLEY>Those aren't movies, right?
01:38:46.340 --> 01:38:47.260
<ASHLEY>Or has he done movies?
01:38:47.260 --> 01:38:48.740
<BOBBY>Doctor Sleep is a movie.
01:38:48.740 --> 01:38:49.660
<ASHLEY>And it's long.
01:38:49.660 --> 01:38:50.060
<ASHLEY>Correct.
01:38:50.320 --> 01:38:52.080
<ASHLEY>So he does more like lengthy thing.
01:38:52.080 --> 01:39:00.080
<ASHLEY>But those all had like an intro, an intro, a plot, the story and an ending.
01:39:00.100 --> 01:39:00.340
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:02.880
<ASHLEY>That made you like want more.
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:03.040
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:07.180
<ASHLEY>And the metaphors or whatever, I mean, they might not even be metaphors.
01:39:07.180 --> 01:39:10.420
<ASHLEY>I can't remember, but whatever the stories were, were outstanding.
01:39:10.420 --> 01:39:11.460
<BOBBY>Yeah, absolutely.
01:39:11.460 --> 01:39:13.620
<ASHLEY>Highly, highly recommend anything by Mike Flanagan.
01:39:13.620 --> 01:39:15.000
<ASHLEY>Now that I know what his name is.
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:21.320
<BOBBY>So good, good on you, Chris, if you're out there and that's your review, that's your one star review about this movie.
01:39:21.320 --> 01:39:26.240
<BOBBY>At least you turned on other people to other great directors.
01:39:26.240 --> 01:39:27.460
<ASHLEY>Were you done with that?
01:39:27.460 --> 01:39:28.860
<BOBBY>Yeah, that was the end of that review.
01:39:28.860 --> 01:39:30.280
<BOBBY>Now I have another one.
01:39:30.360 --> 01:39:31.860
<BOBBY>I have one more one star review.
01:39:31.860 --> 01:39:33.320
<v SPEAKER_3>What did he say about them?
01:39:33.320 --> 01:39:45.800
<BOBBY>He said, with the exception of Mike Flanagan, Ari Aster and James Wan, I'm convinced people don't know how to write horror anymore because this movie was trash.
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:55.800
<BOBBY>That's on me though, because I should have known when I came back to it three times in an attempt to finish it, that it was going to be a disappointment.
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:58.300
<BOBBY>I want better for Dakota Fanning.
01:39:58.360 --> 01:40:00.060
<BOBBY>SMH.
01:40:00.060 --> 01:40:00.780
<BOBBY>Period.
01:40:00.780 --> 01:40:02.160
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:40:02.160 --> 01:40:06.720
<BOBBY>So I have one more one star review by a person named Andy.
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:15.440
<BOBBY>And this person said, I know when it comes to movies, people can either agree or disagree whether it was good or not.
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.500
<BOBBY>But that's the reason why we have subjectivity.
01:40:18.500 --> 01:40:24.840
<BOBBY>But this movie is terrible, really, really, really bad.
01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:29.600
<BOBBY>I cannot recommend this movie to anyone.
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:31.320
<BOBBY>Do not watch.
01:40:31.320 --> 01:40:32.340
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:40:32.340 --> 01:40:38.220
<ASHLEY>Oh, no, I just I do feel so bad like reading all of these one stars.
01:40:38.220 --> 01:40:40.540
<ASHLEY>It's just it's very sad.
01:40:40.540 --> 01:40:42.660
<BOBBY>Well, I also have some five stars.
01:40:42.660 --> 01:40:43.400
<ASHLEY>Oh, yes, me too.
01:40:43.740 --> 01:40:46.580
<BOBBY>OK, so why don't you hit us with some five stars, then?
01:40:46.580 --> 01:40:48.500
<BOBBY>So we end on a positive note for Vicious.
01:40:48.500 --> 01:40:48.960
<ASHLEY>We have to.
01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.600
<ASHLEY>We have to.
01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.420
<BOBBY>Yeah, we don't ever want to leave you guys with a very negative feeling.
01:40:53.420 --> 01:40:54.260
<ASHLEY>Exactly.
01:40:54.260 --> 01:41:05.980
<ASHLEY>OK, so there were two five stars that I have a question about the second one or I have more.
01:41:05.980 --> 01:41:07.200
<BOBBY>Of a statement.
01:41:08.440 --> 01:41:10.520
<ASHLEY>I want to have a discussion with you about the second one.
01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:11.300
<BOBBY>OK.
01:41:11.300 --> 01:41:18.780
<ASHLEY>OK, so my first five star review says the title is Excellent Movie, Not for the Faint Hearted.
01:41:18.780 --> 01:41:20.680
<BOBBY>OK.
01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:26.600
<ASHLEY>This movie was incredible and had me on the edge of my seat from beginning till end.
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:30.040
<ASHLEY>Exceeded my expectations.
01:41:30.040 --> 01:41:33.060
<ASHLEY>I can't wait to see more from the entire cast.
01:41:33.060 --> 01:41:37.220
<ASHLEY>I had to pause it halfway through and started looking around the house.
01:41:37.700 --> 01:41:39.080
<ASHLEY>A little freaked out.
01:41:39.080 --> 01:41:41.340
<ASHLEY>The special effects were excellent.
01:41:41.340 --> 01:41:45.680
<ASHLEY>Definitely deserves a second viewing.
01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:48.120
<v SPEAKER_4>A second viewing?
01:41:48.120 --> 01:41:50.320
<BOBBY>Does this person work at a funeral home?
01:41:50.320 --> 01:41:51.580
<BOBBY>Isn't that what a viewing is?
01:41:51.580 --> 01:41:54.400
<BOBBY>I don't know what is happening.
01:41:54.400 --> 01:41:55.860
<ASHLEY>Can you believe it?
01:41:55.860 --> 01:41:56.360
<BOBBY>Yikes.
01:41:56.360 --> 01:41:58.040
<BOBBY>Was that somebody who's on the cast?
01:41:58.040 --> 01:41:58.840
<ASHLEY>That's what I thought.
01:41:58.840 --> 01:41:59.800
<BOBBY>OK.
01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:01.520
<ASHLEY>I thought, but maybe not.
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:04.300
<BOBBY>OK.
01:42:04.300 --> 01:42:05.940
<BOBBY>And your second one?
01:42:05.940 --> 01:42:08.500
<BOBBY>Or should I read my first five star?
01:42:08.500 --> 01:42:10.720
<ASHLEY>I'll let you read it and then I'll read my longer one.
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:12.400
<BOBBY>This one's by Sean.
01:42:12.400 --> 01:42:14.600
<ASHLEY>OK.
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:16.600
<BOBBY>Only two stars?
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:18.900
<BOBBY>People, this movie was great.
01:42:18.900 --> 01:42:22.580
<BOBBY>Y'all like some dumb crap to give this two stars.
01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:23.900
<BOBBY>LOL.
01:42:23.900 --> 01:42:25.180
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:42:26.740 --> 01:42:27.300
<ASHLEY>That is so funny.
01:42:27.300 --> 01:42:32.600
<BOBBY>And by the way, Sean, if you're out there, I really helped you out with your punctuation.
01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:35.860
<BOBBY>That was one gigantic run on sentence.
01:42:35.860 --> 01:42:37.660
<BOBBY>So get it together out there.
01:42:37.660 --> 01:42:40.340
<ASHLEY>You did a fantastic job.
01:42:40.340 --> 01:42:46.400
<BOBBY>I had to go back to my hometown roots because there's a lot of people out there that say a lot of interesting things.
01:42:46.460 --> 01:42:51.720
<ASHLEY>So okay, this is my second five star review.
01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:54.280
<ASHLEY>Release the real.
01:42:54.280 --> 01:43:04.520
<ASHLEY>Okay, the title is very odd because it says release the real in parentheses, Bertino version, but the writer director is Bertino.
01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:05.740
<BOBBY>Right, it's Bryan Bertino.
01:43:05.740 --> 01:43:06.280
<ASHLEY>Right.
01:43:06.280 --> 01:43:08.580
<ASHLEY>So I don't know why they put it in parentheses.
01:43:08.580 --> 01:43:09.180
<ASHLEY>Wouldn't they put it like-
01:43:09.180 --> 01:43:24.640
<BOBBY>Maybe they're saying that they're, maybe what they're saying is like, you know how Zack Snyder, you don't know this because you didn't see the movie, but a couple of years back, there was a whole thing with The Dawn of Justice and The Superman that came out.
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:32.040
<BOBBY>Zack Snyder had an extended version of the movie because it went longer than what the studios wanted.
01:43:32.040 --> 01:43:35.360
<BOBBY>That extended version was very, very well received.
01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:40.180
<BOBBY>However, the movie that was put out into theaters was people like trashed it.
01:43:40.180 --> 01:43:50.000
<BOBBY>So I think what this person is saying is like, hey, maybe because it had to go to a studio and was edited, maybe there's different endings or there's more to add into.
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:56.540
<ASHLEY>So they're giving more credit to Bertino because they're saying not release the real version, release the real Bertino version.
01:43:56.740 --> 01:43:59.480
<ASHLEY>This is what the director actually wanted.
01:43:59.480 --> 01:44:00.020
<BOBBY>Right.
01:44:00.020 --> 01:44:05.460
<BOBBY>He probably had to cut out a lot of stuff that maybe made it make more sense, potentially.
01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:13.540
<ASHLEY>Okay, so it says, So I saw this last year and loved it.
01:44:13.540 --> 01:44:17.760
<ASHLEY>So I was super excited to get to watch it again when I saw it streaming.
01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:27.000
<ASHLEY>I got to say, although much of it is the same, there are a huge couple of scenes missing that changed the entire movie.
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.080
<ASHLEY>I'm so disappointed because it was incredible.
01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:32.740
<ASHLEY>And now it really feels watered down in comparison.
01:44:33.660 --> 01:44:40.200
<ASHLEY>The studio must have had some reason, but man, this is just not as bleak or effective.
01:44:40.200 --> 01:44:48.820
<ASHLEY>Still a beautiful movie and I want justice for Bertino and Fanning because this was really an incredibly interesting film before it got the chop.
01:44:48.820 --> 01:44:53.200
<ASHLEY>Paramount, if you see this, please release the real version.
01:44:53.200 --> 01:44:54.340
<ASHLEY>End of review.
01:44:54.340 --> 01:44:55.120
<BOBBY>Interesting.
01:44:55.120 --> 01:44:56.280
<ASHLEY>Isn't that interesting?
01:44:56.280 --> 01:44:59.080
<BOBBY>Yeah, because there's a lot of people that they go to test screenings.
01:44:59.120 --> 01:44:59.580
<ASHLEY>Yes.
01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:08.320
<BOBBY>Or they have the family members that get like the watermark versions ahead of time and they watch them to see what people's reactions are going to be.
01:45:08.320 --> 01:45:20.360
<BOBBY>So yeah, maybe when, I don't know, maybe in a couple months, a year, maybe they'll release an extended version that might add some more scenes into it that maybe make it a little bit better.
01:45:20.360 --> 01:45:23.360
<ASHLEY>Why would they take out the most important scenes though?
01:45:23.360 --> 01:45:29.240
<BOBBY>Sometimes directors have different ideas about the way that movie should end and studios see it a different way.
01:45:29.240 --> 01:45:31.160
<BOBBY>They always want the white hat to win, right?
01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:33.960
<BOBBY>You know, they always want the guy to ride off into the sunset.
01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:34.720
<BOBBY>They want him to do this.
01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:36.380
<BOBBY>They want him to do that.
01:45:36.380 --> 01:45:40.940
<BOBBY>And sometimes when you're making it, that's not what it's supposed to be.
01:45:40.940 --> 01:45:50.880
<BOBBY>But you know, they might think that something is better than what you're bringing to the table and because they're the ones writing the checks, they get to say.
01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.500
<BOBBY>So it's a very interesting, I hadn't heard that perspective.
01:45:53.500 --> 01:45:56.680
<BOBBY>So that's really cool to hear and maybe there will be an extended version.
01:45:57.340 --> 01:46:06.800
<ASHLEY>I agree, because now hearing this, if there is an extended version, I'd actually want to watch it just to see like I wonder, what do you think it's about?
01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:11.100
<BOBBY>Like, what if it was a little scenes that were taken out and just put it together for myself?
01:46:11.100 --> 01:46:13.640
<BOBBY>Because I definitely don't watch that whole movie again.
01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:14.360
<ASHLEY>No, no, no, no.
01:46:14.360 --> 01:46:17.500
<ASHLEY>I'd want to know what the scenes were so I could watch it.
01:46:17.740 --> 01:46:21.280
<ASHLEY>But I'm wondering if, like, what would you want another scene?
01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:26.120
<ASHLEY>Like, for me, I guess I'll say it first and then I want to ask you the same question.
01:46:26.120 --> 01:46:35.420
<ASHLEY>For me, I kind of hope that they would maybe have a little bit more backstory of Kathryn Hunter's character before she gets to the door.
01:46:35.420 --> 01:46:39.460
<BOBBY>Well, I think that there should have been more background on all the characters.
01:46:39.460 --> 01:46:40.180
<ASHLEY>Yeah, for sure.
01:46:40.180 --> 01:46:47.340
<BOBBY>And then a really good idea about the relationship between her and her family.
01:46:48.240 --> 01:46:56.580
<BOBBY>Why they say the things that they're saying and then really what her life looks like at the end instead of it just kind of ending.
01:46:56.580 --> 01:46:57.940
<ASHLEY>It just ends.
01:46:57.940 --> 01:46:58.600
<BOBBY>Right.
01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:02.960
<BOBBY>So that those would be the things that I would say, but I mean, who knows?
01:47:03.140 --> 01:47:10.800
<BOBBY>I didn't write it, so maybe they wrote it in a totally different way, and there's much more intrigue than even I know.
01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:11.920
<ASHLEY>Interesting.
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:16.440
<ASHLEY>I wish I really wish they said the scenes or like what it explained or something.
01:47:16.940 --> 01:47:17.940
<BOBBY>Yeah.
01:47:17.940 --> 01:47:21.380
<BOBBY>Well, here is my last five-star review.
01:47:21.380 --> 01:47:22.020
<ASHLEY>Okay.
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:23.100
<BOBBY>This is from Matthew.
01:47:23.100 --> 01:47:23.660
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:47:23.660 --> 01:47:25.800
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:26.740
<BOBBY>Liked it.
01:47:26.740 --> 01:47:28.000
<BOBBY>Hell of a movie.
01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:31.620
<BOBBY>Probably one of my favorite new ones this year.
01:47:31.620 --> 01:47:33.340
<BOBBY>Watch it alone.
01:47:33.340 --> 01:47:36.360
<BOBBY>Any horror movie fans will enjoy.
01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:37.940
<BOBBY>Thumbs up emoji.
01:47:37.940 --> 01:47:39.480
<BOBBY>End of review.
01:47:39.480 --> 01:47:40.720
<ASHLEY>Nice.
01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:42.420
<ASHLEY>The best film of the year.
01:47:42.420 --> 01:47:43.340
<ASHLEY>How many have you seen?
01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:47.280
<BOBBY>I should have looked up what else he'd reviewed at the time.
01:47:47.280 --> 01:47:48.000
<ASHLEY>We could.
01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:49.420
<ASHLEY>No, not right now.
01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:50.520
<ASHLEY>Later, later.
01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:54.960
<v SPEAKER_4>Right.
01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:59.040
<ASHLEY>I saved a couple of reviews that had spoilers.
01:47:59.040 --> 01:47:59.700
<BOBBY>Nice.
01:47:59.700 --> 01:48:00.980
<BOBBY>There you go.
01:48:01.400 --> 01:48:01.940
<v SPEAKER_4>Okay.
01:48:02.860 --> 01:48:05.060
<ASHLEY>This one's a spoiler, but it's funny.
01:48:05.060 --> 01:48:05.360
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:48:05.360 --> 01:48:08.100
<ASHLEY>The other ones are more like real, so I'm going to read a funny one.
01:48:08.140 --> 01:48:08.980
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:48:08.980 --> 01:48:10.060
<ASHLEY>And I hope I do it.
01:48:10.060 --> 01:48:17.920
<ASHLEY>I hope I read it correctly because I don't know how much punctuation, if any, they put it here.
01:48:19.300 --> 01:48:20.180
<BOBBY>Sounds like Sean.
01:48:20.180 --> 01:48:22.400
<ASHLEY>It's a five out of five.
01:48:23.900 --> 01:48:26.120
<ASHLEY>You need to see it.
01:48:26.120 --> 01:48:33.600
<ASHLEY>It's the only horror movie that I liked that didn't scared me but it grabbed my attention with the plot twist.
01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:35.520
<ASHLEY>I didn't expect that at the end.
01:48:38.020 --> 01:48:42.540
<ASHLEY>The message was a little creepy and oh my god, how that girl killed her parents.
01:48:42.540 --> 01:48:43.700
<v SPEAKER_3>I was lost.
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:50.020
<ASHLEY>I didn't expect someone can be that brutal to kill her family, to kill her parents.
01:48:50.020 --> 01:48:50.980
<v SPEAKER_4>What?
01:48:50.980 --> 01:48:52.320
<v SPEAKER_3>That's what you got for this?
01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:53.580
<BOBBY>Is that the end of the review?
01:48:53.580 --> 01:48:54.260
<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
01:48:54.260 --> 01:48:55.640
<BOBBY>They gave it a five star?
01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:57.160
<v SPEAKER_4>Yes.
01:48:58.200 --> 01:49:03.920
<BOBBY>They waited till the very end and now it's how they were like, oh, this is the movie for me.
01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:05.740
<ASHLEY>There were no plot twists.
01:49:05.740 --> 01:49:08.120
<ASHLEY>That was not a twist at all.
01:49:08.120 --> 01:49:13.800
<ASHLEY>The twist between her lying to her at the door, that was the twist?
01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:19.540
<BOBBY>According to him, for whatever reason, he thought that that was the best twist he had ever seen.
01:49:19.540 --> 01:49:21.980
<BOBBY>So who in the world knows?
01:49:21.980 --> 01:49:22.960
<BOBBY>My goodness.
01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:24.880
<ASHLEY>Anyway, I just thought that was incredibly funny.
01:49:26.200 --> 01:49:34.460
<BOBBY>I'm still trying to struggle in my mind with what horror movies this person has seen, because there's a lot of horror movies out there where people kill their parents.
01:49:34.460 --> 01:49:34.760
<ASHLEY>I know.
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:37.440
<ASHLEY>It's the only one that had 13 thumbs down helpfuls.
01:49:37.440 --> 01:49:41.480
<v SPEAKER_4>Yeah.
01:49:41.480 --> 01:49:42.300
<BOBBY>Well, you know what?
01:49:42.300 --> 01:49:45.440
<BOBBY>Good for you, sir or madam.
01:49:45.440 --> 01:49:48.000
<BOBBY>Whatever you guys are doing out there, just keep it up.
01:49:49.200 --> 01:49:52.260
<BOBBY>Keep giving the world your real opinion.
01:49:52.260 --> 01:49:54.200
<v SPEAKER_3>Yeah, that's right.
01:49:55.340 --> 01:49:58.200
<ASHLEY>Well, it's been a pleasure.
01:49:58.200 --> 01:49:59.280
<BOBBY>Always.
01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:03.540
<ASHLEY>So, ultimately, I would not recommend Vicious.
01:50:03.540 --> 01:50:06.100
<BOBBY>I would say if you can watch it for free, watch it for free.
01:50:06.100 --> 01:50:07.840
<ASHLEY>Do not pay $9.99.
01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:08.640
<BOBBY>Don't pay anything.
01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:21.320
<BOBBY>If you are looking for more information, just check out the Google reviews, and I think it'll probably be a little more informative than all the reviews that we could read here.
01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:25.700
<ASHLEY>Yeah, I got these stats so I can share it, I guess.
01:50:25.700 --> 01:50:26.520
<BOBBY>Sure.
01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:29.420
<ASHLEY>The Google reviews were 2.3 out of 5.
01:50:29.420 --> 01:50:29.600
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:33.600
<ASHLEY>Rotten Tomatoes, the tomato meter was 2.25 out of 5.
01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:33.920
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:37.460
<ASHLEY>The popcorn meter, which is for, I think, average viewers.
01:50:37.460 --> 01:50:38.260
<BOBBY>Okay.
01:50:38.260 --> 01:50:39.640
<ASHLEY>1.6 out of 5.
01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:40.460
<BOBBY>Yikes.
01:50:40.460 --> 01:50:43.560
<ASHLEY>I know, and IMDB was 2.45 out of 5.
01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:44.200
<BOBBY>Oh, man.
01:50:44.200 --> 01:50:47.520
<ASHLEY>So none of them gave even 2.5.
01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:49.480
<ASHLEY>None of them even got half.
01:50:49.480 --> 01:50:49.920
<BOBBY>Yikes.
01:50:51.060 --> 01:50:53.060
<ASHLEY>So it's a disappointment.
01:50:54.740 --> 01:51:00.340
<BOBBY>If you do want to watch this and you do listen to it, go into it with the thought process that Ashley brought up.
01:51:00.340 --> 01:51:09.500
<BOBBY>Obviously, take your own ideas into it, but go in there with a thought process like that, because it might help out the movie a little bit more.
01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:09.820
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:51:09.820 --> 01:51:17.740
<BOBBY>I hadn't seen it from that perspective, and maybe that is after hearing and reading the interviews, maybe that is where the director was going.
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:26.540
<BOBBY>But to your own point, I don't know that I would recommend for anyone to see this if you didn't already have Paramount Plus.
01:51:26.540 --> 01:51:42.660
<BOBBY>If you have to pay for it, especially $14.99, at least for me, unless the price comes down on it, or I guess if you guys are huge, you know, Bryan Bertino or Dakota Fanning fans, Dakota Fannings.
01:51:42.660 --> 01:51:43.840
<ASHLEY>Dakota Fannings.
01:51:44.460 --> 01:51:48.920
<BOBBY>I wouldn't pay for this in my own thought process.
01:51:48.920 --> 01:51:49.580
<ASHLEY>I agree.
01:51:49.580 --> 01:51:58.780
<ASHLEY>And I would probably pay up to $5.99 for every single movie that we mentioned on our Spooktacular series.
01:51:58.780 --> 01:51:59.480
<BOBBY>Oh, yeah.
01:51:59.480 --> 01:52:02.520
<ASHLEY>But I would not pay for it for this movie.
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:10.020
<BOBBY>No, unless you guys are all getting together and splitting the price with 14 of your favorite friends.
01:52:10.340 --> 01:52:11.180
<BOBBY>Exactly.
01:52:11.180 --> 01:52:12.300
<BOBBY>If we wanted to pitch it $1.
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:13.620
<ASHLEY>Yeah.
01:52:13.620 --> 01:52:14.260
<BOBBY>Who knows?
01:52:14.260 --> 01:52:15.460
<ASHLEY>Yeah, you can pay $0.98.
01:52:16.700 --> 01:52:18.360
<ASHLEY>They'll each pay $1.
01:52:18.360 --> 01:52:19.560
<ASHLEY>You hosted them, right?
01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:20.140
<ASHLEY>Come on.
01:52:20.140 --> 01:52:21.280
<BOBBY>Exactly.
01:52:21.300 --> 01:52:23.960
<BOBBY>Well, thank you for another awesome MICROSODE.
01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:24.600
<ASHLEY>Thank you.
01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:26.380
<BOBBY>It was Vicious.
01:52:26.380 --> 01:52:28.060
<ASHLEY>Oh, nice.
01:52:28.060 --> 01:52:31.720
<BOBBY>And we will see you next time on MICROSODES.
01:52:32.660 --> 01:52:34.840
<v SPEAKER_4>Steak me out tonight.
01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.680
<v SPEAKER_4>I don't want to let you go till we catch this guy.
01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:40.200
<BOBBY>We already have a theme song.
01:52:40.200 --> 01:52:41.120
<BOBBY>That concludes this meeting.

Ashley T Brink

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